Recent Buy

buyBoy, I missed the absolute bonanza of a sale that occurred Monday, but I still scored a pretty good deal on a high-quality stock to finish off August.

If timing the market were necessary to achieve financial independence, I’d fail miserably. Fortunately, it’s not necessary and time in matters more than timing. Time in is something that I’ll very likely do really well with, now more than five years into this game. Very excited, however, to see where the next five years takes me. Obviously, I plan to stay invested in the wonderful collection of businesses I’ve amassed until I’m dead.

This most recent purchase involved a stock that I’ve been aggressively building a position in over the last few months. When I see a high-quality dividend growth stock that’s attractively valued and I have room for it in the portfolio, I’m likely to buy if I have capital.

I purchased 15 shares of Union Pacific Corporation (UNP) on 8/20/15 for $90.08 per share.

Overview

Union Pacific Corporation is the largest public US railroad, operating 32,000 miles of track that serves the western two-thirds of the country which includes some of the fastest-growing US population centers across 23 states.

Union Pacific connects with Canada’s rail system and they’re the only railroad that serving all six major Mexico gateways.

Founded in 1862, they now serve roughly 10,000 customers.

2014 freight revenue breaks down via the following six commodity groups: Industrial Products (20%), Intermodal (20%), Coal (18%), Agricultural Products (17%), Chemicals (16%), and Automotive (9%).

2014 carload composition was 61% domestic and 39% international.

A Large Position Built In Four Months Through Aggressive Averaging Down

I talk about averaging down all the time. If you like a stock at $100, you should like it even more at $90. And you should then love it at $80 or lower. Right?

Now, this is assuming that long-term fundamentals haven’t changed, but fundamentals don’t change very quickly. Prices do, though. And that’s where you find inefficiencies in the market. Prices on stocks can change rather radically in a short period of time. The last few days are a good example of that. But the value of these stocks aren’t changing that fast. Major companies don’t swing in value by tens of billions of dollars overnight outside of some major specific issue with the company.

Union Pacific is the same way. I initiated my position in the company back in early May at over $106 per share. I’ve since averaged down four times, concluding with this most recent transaction, which is approximately 15% lower than where I first bought stock in the railroad. Is Union Pacific as a company worth 15% less now than it was in May on a permanent basis? I find it unlikely, especially when I thought the stock was a pretty decent buy already at $106 after pulling back quite a bit. The stock is now down about 25% on the year.

And over the course of about four months I’ve built this position up to 50 shares now. Railroads now make up about 5% of the portfolio, which I find to be pretty solid, if aggressive, exposure to the industry. I think what this shows is that it doesn’t take long to build up a respectable position in a world-class business. Keep saving, keep investing, and keep looking for opportunities to average down on your cost basis if available.

Due to my exposure, however, I’m limited in terms of how many more purchases I can make here. I continue to find the stock very attractively valued and the business model outstanding. So it’s likely that I’ll purchase one more lot of 15 shares or so at some point in the foreseeable future and then call it a day. At that point, Union Pacific would be a rather large position. It’s then just a matter of sitting on those shares and collecting growing dividends for, hopefully, the rest of my life.

Notably, I was able to pick up shares just before the next ex-dividend date. That means my next dividend from Union Pacific will be calculated off of all 50 shares I own. I’m very much looking forward to that.

Risks

There are numerous risks with Union Pacific and other railroads.

There are extensive costs to maintaining a railroad. Unlike a lot of other methods of transportation, railroads must maintain their own networks. This is expensive – Union Pacific has invested more than $31 billion in its network and operations from 2005 to 2014. So the infrastructure there remains extremely valuable and probably impossible to replicate, but also expensive to maintain. In addition, there are significant input costs varying from labor to fuel.

Regulation remains omnipresent. Any negative changes here could have material impacts on Union Pacific’s costs to operate and/or ability to maintain profitability in a competitive manner.

As a railroad, it is exposed to the broader economy and all the ups and downs that comes with. Any major drop in activity across the economy as it relates to demand for goods could reduce demand for their services. However, they performed quite well during the recent Great Recession.

There are also black swan risks, including derailments and spills.

Valuation

The stock is trading hands for a P/E ratio 15.50, which is a pretty substantial discount to both the broader market and UNP’s five-year average P/E ratio of 17.5. In addition, the yield, at 2.44%, is about 70 basis points higher than the 1.7% yield this stock has averaged over the last five years.

I valued shares using a dividend discount model analysis with a 10% discount rate and an 8% long-term dividend growth rate. That growth rate seems fair considering it’s less than half that of Union Pacific’s own long-term growth rates for its EPS and the dividend. I’m factoring in the low payout ratio, growth forecast moving forward, and the extremely strong business model. The DDM analysis gives me a fair value of $118.80.

Conclusion

Oligopolies are always attractive. And seeing as how there are four major domestic railroads that account for almost 90% of all railroad business in the country, there are incredible competitive advantages built in here. While some industries can see oligopolies weaken over time, the natural barriers to entry that exist in this industry means it’s highly unlikely that any new entrants will come about. As such, Union Pacific (and the other three major railroads) is in a great position to grow its profit and dividend for a very long time.

This purchase adds $33.00 to my annual dividend income, based on the current $0.55 quarterly dividend.

I’m going to include current valuation opinions from other analysts below, which I use to concentrate my reasonable valuation estimate:

Morningstar rates UNP as a 4/5 star valuation, with a fair value estimate of $114.00.

S&P Capital IQ rates UNP as a 4/5 star “buy”, with a fair value calculation of $96.80.

I’ll update my Freedom Fund in early September to reflect this recent purchase.

Full Disclosure: Long UNP.

Think this stock is a good deal here? Why or why not? What are your thoughts on the railroad industry? 

Thanks for reading.

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130 Comments

  1. A lot of us missed out Jason. I wrote a post today lamenting that fact. In regards to Union Pacific, I did buy 40 shares of it…….and think it will be a great investment long term. Hoping for more sell offs. Happy hunting buddy!
    -Bryan

  2. Happy to see you are adding to your team of money making soldiers. Can’t wait to see what you grabbed since the market dropping over the last couple of days.

    It looks like I am adding 3M to my team here.

    Hope all is well and you are enjoying the volatility.

  3. Great purchase, Mantra. Cant go wrong with teh railroads – I am a big fan. The selloffs is offering more discounts – are you plannign on buying more? I am tempted to initiate UNP here.

    cheers
    R2R

  4. I think railroads will be a way of the future. You’re starting to see more and more people relying in public transportation(including bicycle) to get around. I know a few car-free(and single car) households, and they seem to do just fine.

  5. I added Union Pacific yesterday – I also added ConocoPhillips, Exon, Kinder Morgan, Apple, Cummins and Disney!!

    I am in Nirvana right now and hopefully it will last so I can continue to dca into some more great stocks.

    I feel like it is Christmas!!!!

  6. Jason,

    Fully agree average down on high quality stock nothing better.

    And what a week, not been able to invest as no sufficient cash available

    Cheers

    RA50

  7. It was a 10 minutes window. I overslept, ha! Then when I want to buy, somehow it “sell” instead. Yuck! On top of not able to place an order. Then, I read somewhere it was a common problem across all the platform. I should have place a limit order the night before or something. A lot of shoulda, woulda, blah blah 🙂

    Maybe there will be a big sale tomorrow due to uncertainty in China regardless the decrease in interests, Wall Street doesn’t like uncertainly, but we like the big sale :).

    It would have been awesome pickup up UNP at 80, JNJ at 81, BAC at 14.6, WFC 48, and the list goes on. However, volatility remains. Due to the accidental sale and not able to pick up my fixer upper, I have some capital to invest. We’ll see what happen tomorrow.

  8. Wished I had some cash on Monday. But life is never perfect and stuff happens. The money was deposited Tuesday so I started a position in XOM and continued adding to DIS. It was funny, I was at the Doctor’s when the market opened yesterday, and I started laughing like a kid in a candy store. A few people thought i was crazy but i’ve been hoping for a week like this week. In a few years i’ll be wishing I only bought some more.

  9. I also bought UNP yesterday during the afternoon selloff along with PG, MMM, UTX, KO, PEP, HSY, WMT, GE, IBM, KHC, DEO, VZ, JNJ, KMI and CVX. I received morning deep price on MMM, KMI and CVX because I had them pre order for crazy price, rest were bought during afternoon deep yesterday.

    I am sold out of COP, NOV, VOD and some muni bound funds with very little gain or neutral. I bought them because they were value during 2012, 2013, 2014 and 2015. We didn’t have correction like this since 2011 so would like to capitalize on it with upgrading to higher or A+ qualities.

    I still have small capital and would like to buy BBL and CL because BBL close to 8% yield is just crazy (their cyclical adjusted earning will come back in couple years) and I just love CL and its at 2.52% yield.

    I am also going to Hersey park vacation with my family from Thursday to Sunday and this entire trip is getting paid off from Hersey’s dividend.

    I love this site and I love to be an owner of the best of the best companies.

  10. DM,

    You are really loading up on the UP train here. I’ve been deciding whether or not to average down and it became a whole lot harder to decide on Monday morning. It seems like you can take your pick at tens of quality blue chips and score a nice deal.

    I would like to have a significant cash position at the moment but hindsight is always 20/20. Better to have your cash working for you than wait for the correction that’s taken 4 years to come. I look forward to averaging down or entering new positions over the next few months.

    Best of Luck,
    Dividend Odyssey

  11. Good day Jason
    UNP really is a good company. as the stock has come down the yield has gone up. Just more reason to buy this stock . I don’t see UNP cutting the dividend, so your’re going to be paid to wait till the stock goes back up.I know it has headwinds China, oil, and coal but the is a high quality company. So averaging down, and adding to your dividends this is just smart investing. I did the same on Friday and today I bought some WFC, ABBV, JNJ, PG, AAPL, GIS, KHC, MMM, PEP. I like averaging down also. I still have some cash so if the market keeps coming down I will buy more. I say nobody panic, lets just use the sell off to buy good companies and add dividends to our portfolio.

    Cheers

  12. Bryan,

    Nice move there with 40 shares. That’s a big buy all in one shot. That’s fantastic! 🙂

    Yeah, I missed Monday. But UNP is even lower today. I don’t worry about timing things. And like I recently wrote about, it just doesn’t matter that much. That’s especially true with dollar cost averaging.

    Keep it up over there!

    Cheers.

  13. Mike,

    3M is one of those classic companies. High quality across the board. Great diversification as well.

    I didn’t buy anything Monday due to how much capital I’ve deployed this month. Some people seem to think my capital is unlimited, but that’s sadly not the case. May buy one more tranche of UNP tomorrow before the ex-dividend date, but I’d be borrowing against next month’s cash flow. And that’s not something I like to do. We’ll see.

    Keep it up!

    Cheers.

  14. R2R,

    Yeah, it’s really one of my favorite business models. The competitive advantages are pretty incredible. I don’t see any of the “Big Four” going away anytime soon.

    I think I might add one more lot to my UNP position here and then that would be it. At 5% of the portfolio, that’s pretty aggressive exposure to that one industry. I really like Canadian National as well, but the yield leaves something to be desired.

    Thanks for dropping by!

    Best wishes.

  15. FFdividend,

    TROW is yielding more than 3% now. Pretty crazy stuff, though it’s not surprising with their equities exposure. I noted when I bought them that they could see quite a bit of volatility if the market becomes volatile. Great long-term company, though. 🙂

    Have fun over there!

    Cheers.

  16. joel,

    Yeah, we’ll see how that goes. This is obviously a play on commerce, but the transportation angle is interesting as well. I think this country still has a long, long way to go on public transportation. But any improvement there is welcome to me. 🙂

    Take care!

  17. JM,

    Ha! Christmas, indeed. The market might still be near all-time highs (even after the drop), but many high-quality stocks are really bottoming out here. Great job staying busy over there. Every new investment puts you that much closer to where you want to be. 🙂

    Thanks for sharing!

    Best wishes.

  18. RA50,

    You guys have a pretty monster portfolio if I’m not mistaken. That means the cash flow is constantly replenishing itself at an incredible rate. I’d gladly trade my portfolio now for a $500k portfolio with the agreement that I couldn’t buy stocks ever again. There will be a day not too long from now where I’m done accumulating stocks. This journey is about freedom, not about accumulating stocks forever. It’s just a matter of getting there. 🙂

    Thanks for stopping by!

    Best regards.

  19. D4s,

    Exactly.

    Of course, I’d rather buy that growing income stream for less current money, but it doesn’t make much of a difference when you’re averaging your way in. Buying UNP at $82 or whatever would definitely be preferable to buying it at $90, but we’re talking about not very much money here. My $1,400 can only be stretched so far in one shot. But that $1,400 does add up when you’re repeating it over and over again, which is why I just stick to the long-term plan. 🙂

    In addition, the $90 only seems undesirable because the stock is now cheaper. But if it would have popped back to $95, it would have been great. You have to not let the market control your emotions. Focus on value.

    Cheers

  20. Vivianne,

    Hey, you’re in a great spot there with capital. I’ve never had a buy go through as a sell like that. Very strange.

    But you might see even better opportunities down the line. You just never know. I see UNP was down near $80 by the end of the day today, so we’re right back there again. Either way, I’ll just continue to accumulate as much as I can. 🙂

    Have fun over there. Let’s hope tomorrow is even more volatile.

    Best regards.

  21. Sunny,

    Ha! I feel your excitement. I’m right there with you. 🙂

    It’s funny. I actually overheard a conversation at the coffee shop today where two guys were talking. One guy told the other that his “life was over” because of the recent volatility. And he was saying that he figures a bunch of people are committing suicide over it. People are crazy.

    Let’s stick to the plan!

    Take care.

  22. AJ,

    Wow. That’s some crazy buying there. Looks like the sales provided you with some extra firepower over there. Hope the trades work out to your favor. 🙂

    BBL is stupid cheap here. I’m tempted to pick up more shares, but 115 is already more than enough for my portfolio. It’s a heavy hitter for me in terms of dividend income, so I have to be careful in terms of exposure there. Wish I would have picked up all the shares down here but I never figured it’d go this low. $30 is pretty close to where it bottomed out during the financial crisis. Crazy stuff.

    Have fun at Hersheypark. I’m sure that’ll be a blast! 🙂

    Cheers.

  23. DO,

    Hindsight is always 20/20, my friend. You just never know what the market is going to do. If you try to time things, you’ll end up just going nuts over it.

    There are some people that have been building up cash for years. Is now the time to deploy? What if the market drops another 3% tomorrow? Is then a good time? What if it pops by 5%? Did you miss your opportunity?

    That stuff is just a waste of time. The journey to financial independence (especially over a short period of time) doesn’t require timing the market at all. Sticking to the holistic strategy is far, far more important. 🙂

    Thanks for stopping by!

    Best regards.

  24. Michael,

    Great job staying busy over there. The market might still be quite expensive on the whole, but a number of really great stocks are available at pretty attractive valuations now. Many weren’t that expensive before (like UNP) but are even more attractive now. There’s nothing that says that a cheap stock can’t get cheaper, so it’s always good to just be aware of that and ready to go if a cheaper price comes your way. 🙂

    Keep it up!

    Best wishes.

  25. Still seems like a good buy. But it does certainly suck to see the same thing for $10 less the next week. Either way, like you said it still pays a nice, safe growing dividend and performs the roll you need it to. Best of luck watching it chug its way back up!

  26. Great purchase. Like you, I missed the crazy day yesterday, although I tried to purchase GE an hour or so into the open of the market, but my Scottrade wouldn’t finish loading the screen and crashed over and over again. I have my suspicions!

    Fortunately, there are still many deals out there.

  27. Hi guys,

    Great to see the market taking a dive. I am curious to know if you guys reinvest the dividend automatically with your brokerage (my TDameritrade does not with no extra charge) or keep them as cash and buy stocks later? thanks.

  28. DW,

    I’m not particularly unhappy seeing it drop to $80 after my purchase. Just means there’s an even better opportunity for both me and UNP to pick up more shares at an even cheaper price. I’m never interested in seeing a stock pop after I buy it. Even if I’m done buying it, the respective company probably isn’t.

    We’ll see how it goes. I hope it drops into the low $70s very quickly here. 🙂

    Cheers!

  29. RTR,

    Still many deals, indeed. And some stocks were cheaper at the end of the day today than they were at the end of yesterday. I wouldn’t worry about missing out on anything. Stocks aren’t going anywhere. And volatility tends to have this self-fulfilling prophecy that can kind of cascade. I’m hoping it turns out like that. 🙂

    Happy shopping over there!

    Best regards.

  30. I just picked up 20 shares of UNP this morning. Had to get a quality company out of this slide, although the urge to just keep buying XOM and CVX over and over is very strong.

  31. Unfortunately I was a bit early on a purchase last week and didn’t get to take advantage of the huge selloff yesterday morning. I have a bit of cash available but I wasn’t watching the markets and have lots of expenses to deal with right now. But man were there a lot of opportunities. Still are as far as I’m concerned. JNJ, TROW, PEP, UNP, ETN and the list just keeps going. KMI is looking awesome here as well.

    You’ve built up a nice position in UNP over a short time which is always a good thing. It’s great when the markets conspire to help you build up your positions rather rapidly instead of having to search for better spots over time. I’ll be looking to add more to my own UNP position at least once more although hopefully two more tranches. The markets are offering a lot more value here and I’m looking forward to being able to make some purchases over the coming months.

  32. Justin,

    Nice move there. Great, great price. The stock price could go anywhere – could drop to $70 or even lower over the short term. But, long term, this is a great business. I wouldn’t put my money to work there if I didn’t think so. I let value, not price, guide me.

    Glad to be a fellow shareholder!

    Best regards.

  33. JC,

    I can imagine you’ve got a lot going on over there. More important things to deal with than stocks right now, my friend.

    But you’re definitely right in that there are still deals abound. Some are cheaper today than they were yesterday. I think you’ll still have plenty to choose from when you’re ready to get back to it. 🙂

    Wish you the best over there.

    Cheers!

  34. Lots of opportunity here, especially after today’s late sell-off. JNJ yielding 3.3%? Good stuff.

  35. Jim,

    It’s getting pretty exciting. I can only imagine the kind of smorgasbord long-term investors had in front of them back in 2008 and 2009. Hopefully, this is just the start of something really incredible. 🙂

    Best wishes.

  36. Jason,

    I think that , despite the future problems with coal, rail should be a good investment (at current prices). Both UNP and Norfolk are trading at deep discounts. Question for you: You have mentioned many times on your website that you would “buy x stock” if you weren’t already at a “full position” (example: BHP). If your portfolio is someday $500,000 or more (who knows maybe $1,000,000) wouldn’t a “full position” be a lot bigger than it is now? Therefore justifying buying more of a screaming deal? Just curious in your thought process on this.

    Guy

  37. Guy,

    Right. My target portfolio value for financial independence is right about that $500,000 mark. That would generate $17,500 per year in dividend income. That’s a nice baseline for me.

    So a full position at $500,000 would be a lot more than it is now. If I were to have, say, 100 positions, a full position would be $5,000. However, you’re not factoring in any capital appreciation. I don’t plan on actually investing $500,000 of my own money. My eventual portfolio value will be a combination of invested money, dividend income, and appreciation. So if I invest $5,000 in every stock now, there’s no room for any growth there. It’s a moving target, but the whole portfolio is moving as well. So as I invest in new stocks, the size of a full position will naturally fall right as the size of the portfolio grows in value (from capital investments, dividend income, and appreciation). Many positions in the portfolio have grown over time as the stocks have appreciated. So that’s something you have to keep in mind as you build things out.

    Hope that helps!

    Cheers.

  38. UNP surely is temping down here. But there’s so many other names tempting too…like JNJ around 90. I guess these are high quality “problems” to have!

    Any concern with the BBL dividend? The earning estimates for FY 2016 are 1.30 while the dividend is 2.48 annually. Absent a sharp rebound in commodities–isn’t a dividend cut inevitable?

    The company also only has a 10 year streak of rising dividends, which sort of coincided with a commodities bull markets. In the long run, the company can ride out ups and downs, but was wondering your opinion on dividend risk.

    Thanks for the update DM.

  39. Ben,

    Definitely. A lot of opportunities out there. But I can’t think of a time when there weren’t any opportunities around. Always something for the taking, but there’s definitely now more than there was just a week or so ago. 🙂

    Yeah, BHP Billiton can really be lumped in with many other major commodity producers. Many face periods where earnings don’t quite cover the dividend. If the price of commodities stays low for a long period of time, then the dividend could be in danger there. The thing to keep in mind with BBL is that they’re pretty widely diversified. We just happen to have a period where almost everything across the board is hurt. Same goes for many of the big oil companies. You have that diversified/integrated angle there that should help when things get rough, but it doesn’t always work like that.

    The other thing to keep in mind is that the dividend is paid in cash from cash. So it’s really free cash flow you want to keep an eye on. BHP Billiton generated north of $6 billion in FCF last year. Just about covers the dividend, but nothing else.

    They may need to reduce that dividend temporarily, but I’m not particularly concerned about the long-term health of the company or anything else. If anything, it’s periods like this that makes a company like this one stronger over the long run. If I had room, I’d be interested in buying more here. But I just don’t know if I can swing it.

    Cheers!

  40. That’s a good deal, you were able to get, DM! UNP is in my watch list and yet to pull the trigger on it. I was able to buy few stocks recently though. It looks like market wants to go down more, but, over long term, these corrections will be mere blips on a bumpy road. Keep racing!

  41. R2R,

    Thanks. Could have had an even better deal a few days later, but what are you going to do?

    I sure hope stocks drop even more from here. Would love to see it. Been really fun thus far. I may decide to borrow from next month’s cash flow if we see another down day tomorrow. It’s not something I like/want to do, but there are a few stocks that I’d like to grab here. We’ll see. Stocks aren’t going anywhere, so I’m hesitant to go too crazy. We’ll see how it goes! 🙂

    Cheers.

  42. My cost basis for UNP is $103, and I’ll be looking to average down most likely tomorrow to get in before the ex-date. If not tomorrow then I’ll have some time to watch it.

  43. Ken,

    Thanks for dropping by!

    I definitely wouldn’t mind another tranche, especially before the ex-dividend date. And especially down here at this price. We’ll see. More stocks than cash, as always. 🙂

    Best regards.

  44. Yup yup. It’s 1am, what are you still doing up? 😉 I don’t want to wake up 2 hours after the bell like yesterday, so I’m gonna call it a night. And it’s only 11pm here haha.

  45. Great buy Jason. I’m hoping for further drops in stock prices. The market swings are pretty wild.

  46. UNP now even for 80$ as its 10$ cheaper. Oh well no need to time the market 🙂 we as Dividend Growth Investors are not the ones sellin!

  47. Jason:
    The UNP purchase is interesting in this environment . The reduced dependence on coal, the government regulations on coal production and the burning of the same. Also over the road trucking is taking some business from rail movement due to low fuel prices.
    The fuel cost is a cyclical wave. It should eventually change.
    Your purchase does keep the portfolio diversified.
    When a “Chartie” , my term for someone who studies charts, looks at UNP charts,
    They might would conclude that you should wait for a bounce to find a support level.
    They like to do this before making a purchase.
    This Chartie person would say you are trying to catch a falling knife.
    I’d say that you are sticking to your course. Let the dividend stream be your bandaid.

  48. A question I wanted to ask for a while, but I think today’s article answered it;
    Do you usually have several limit orders open for a number of stocks you’re interested it, and just post here if/when they fire?
    Or do you just put a market order the moment you decide you want to buy a particular stock at its current price?
    Given you say you’ve missed yesterday’s bargains, I assume the latter?

  49. Great buy DM!

    I just wish I had sufficent cash flow to buy at such great prices currently. Besides UNP there are alot of stocks that are on my watch list now.

    I would like to get my hands on WMT, IBM, KO and so many more.

    Don’t you just hate when market corrects, and you don’t have money to buy.

    Cheers! 🙂

  50. Great purchase Jason!

    People are scared of the devalution of the currency in China. I hope stocks continue to get lower then they are today, so we can pick up more shares for the same amount of money!

    Best Regards,

    Dividendfreak

  51. DM,

    Congrats on your recent purchase of UNP. You simply can’t go wrong with such a solid company. I too missed the opening collapse on Monday but I am strongly considering purchasing some more OHI at these current levels.

    DC

  52. Hi Jason,

    I’d love to get some UNP to the portfolio here. The price seems really good now. And with the barriers to entry it’s tough to go wrong with this company. The odds are pretty good that there will be more people around in the future and they will need more and more goods transported. Solid buy and thanks for the update!

  53. Jason,
    I like your addition. I had about 10% cash in our portfolio two weeks ago; it’s down to 3% today after making some serious purchases Friday, Monday, and Tuesday. I added to UNP at just under $90. I also added to positions in CVX, DIS, GILD, KMI, KO, TROW, UTX, and WMT. With the exception of DIS, all of these were bought at or under the average price I had paid for the shares I already held. While many were panicking, I was out bargain hunting.

    Let me state that by no means am I advocating waiting for a pull-back. I started converting from index funds and cash in January, 2013, and just hadn’t allocated all of the funds yet. Especially for the younger people in your audience, dollar cost averaging is far more important than getting an occasional drop in price due to corrections.
    Best wishes,
    Keith

  54. Jason,

    Awesome, you still got a good deal. I wish I had a boat load of cash Monday morning, I’d have added a ton of positions and holdings. The more I get involved in investing, the more I realize moments like that are special. When the herd is running away, ask why are they running and then take advantage of the savings they leave behind. Hopefully, these opportunities keep coming!

    Long UNP,
    Gremlin

  55. Jason,

    Congrats on the great buy! I used the opportunity to start a position in JNJ. Bought 25 shares at $92, hope to find a good long-term dividend stream there 🙂

    Cheers

  56. Amen to that! I work from home, and I’m only super busy Sept-Jan, so I could technically sleep till whenever. But since following stocks I’m up earlier and I actually get more stuff done during the day. But, I am not a morning person at all. Anyways, happy hunting!

  57. “If timing the market were necessary to achieve financial independence, I’d fail miserably. Fortunately, it’s not necessary and time in matters more than timing.” I love this quote, it makes investing feel a lot safer.

    Congratulations on the additional $33 a year in passive income!!

  58. You must be thinking very long term if you’re worried about mythical self-driving trucks taking revenue away from rails.

  59. Hi Jason, I enjoy your blog alot and I think I even walked right passed you at the Berkshire annual meeting ( wasn’t 100% sure so wussed out and didn’t say hi).

    I have on question for you: If you think UNP is a big bargain and would hold forever, why don’t you just load up and buy as much as you can? I understand diversification and not being exposed too greatly to one stock or industry, but if you have conviction the stock is a wonderful buy, why not load up? You have 50 other positions, surely these provide balance?

  60. William,

    Yeah, you just never know where stock prices are going to go. I let value, not price, guide me. I see it’s back above $82 today, which is still a really good deal if you’re in it for the next few decades. Excited to see how it goes!

    Best regards.

  61. Amegalo,

    I don’t look at charts at all. Can’t say I even know many of the technical terms there. The terms I like are “dividends”, “financial independence”, “living off of growing dividend income”, “no longer working”. Those are the terms that get me excited.

    If catching a falling knife means I’m that much closer to my goal of living off of dividend income, then I’m all for it. I’ll gladly sign up for the circus. 🙂

    Cheers!

  62. Geert,

    I don’t have several limit orders open, no. I only have enough capital for 2-4 purchases per month, depending on cash flow. So I keep an eye on a few stocks, and buy that which looks good at the time. Some people follow 30 or 40 stocks at any given time and then suffer from analysis paralysis when it comes time to strike. I don’t suffer from that. I just buy great companies at solid values. Very, very simple.

    Take care!

  63. DF,

    That’s why I like turning cash into cash flow, my friend. I should have something near $1,000 in dividend income coming in next month. So the BB gun reloads all by itself. And then, of course, there’s the cash flow from everything else. One should set up a system so that they’re dollar cost averaging month in and month out. That way you don’t miss the drops when/if they occur. You might not catch the exact bottom every time, but it’s not necessary (as I recently discussed). Dollar cost averaging means you’ll buy more shares when they’re cheaper and less when they’re more expensive. Timing things just isn’t necessary at all. 🙂

    Hope you’re able to get things reloaded quickly!

    Best wishes.

  64. DF,

    I’m with you. The cheaper, the better. I was hoping we’d see another big down day today, but not yet. Never can tell, though. Could drop by 5% tomorrow. Or it could be up. Doesn’t really matter all that much. I’ll continue to deploy capital into great businesses at solid long-term values. It’s almost too easy. 🙂

    Keep it up!

    Best regards.

  65. DC,

    I wouldn’t worry about missing out there. There was another pretty big drop yesterday afternoon. And I’m sure there will be plenty more where that came from over the next 10 years or so. Volatility isn’t going anywhere. And neither are stocks. 🙂

    Have fun over there when it’s time to go shopping again!

    Cheers.

  66. Michael,

    Yeah, that’s a good question. That’s obviously something that’s quite a bit down the road. And it’s impossible to quantify right now. Any thoughts on it would just be speculation. I imagine it’ll be many years before we see an armada of autonomous semis running around.

    I will say that this is why you diversify. Broadly, you’ll want to diversify across the portfolio so that no one business or industry will collapse your income/portfolio. Specifically, I hope to expose myself to the trucking industry at some point. Just hasn’t happened yet. Only so much capital to go around.

    Notably, Buffett spoke on this at some point not too long ago. Although, he was more concerned in how it relates to P&C. But he also jokingly mentioned that he’ll probably be dead before it becomes a real threat.

    We’ll see how it goes. I’m not concerned now. If the railroad industry actually becomes threatened in a major way and can no longer support the profit and dividend income I’m used to, then I’d simply move on. No investment can be thought of as “forever”, unfortunately. Always have to monitor fundamental changes.

    Best regards.

  67. Sampo,

    Definitely. Huge barriers to entry. And more goods will have to be moved in the future. Just simple math right there. And I’m pretty confident that railroads will continue to capture a large chunk of that commerce. Got both coasts locked up now, so I’m happy. 🙂

    Cheers!

  68. I joined you as a UNP shareholder today with 25 shares. I was lucky enough to buy at a very attractive $82.50. I wouldn’t mind averaging down if it gets to the mid-70s, but there are a lot of other good deals right now so we’ll see.

    UNP is an outstanding company in a good industry. I have no doubt we will be patting ourselves on our backs 10-20 years from now for our purchases today.

  69. Keith,

    “I already held. While many were panicking, I was out bargain hunting.”

    That’s the way to think about it. Use short-term volatility as a long-term opportunity. 🙂

    And I agree with you on DCA. If you can catch things just right, even better. But it’s not necessary to land every stock at it’s precise bottom. It’s impossible to do that. You’ll catch a few here and there, but it won’t make much of a difference. At one point, $3.00/share was a lot of money for KO. You might have felt good about a pullback to $2.75 or whatever, but it now makes little difference. I’m not saying to not hunt for bargains. Quite the contrary. But it always goes back to individual stocks versus the entire market. And, of course, worrying about the holistic strategy more than trying to concern yourself with timing things just right.

    Thanks for dropping by!

    Cheers.

  70. Gremlin,

    I’m with you. I hope more opportunities will come upon us. A “good deal” is all relative. I tie relativity to value. If the company is really worth somewhere north of $110/share, then $90 is great. The fact that it was then available for $80 or whatever at a precise time on a certain day doesn’t change that. If it would have never dropped below $90, then it would have been a great deal. So one has to not let themselves be disappointed by things like that and let the market control their emotions.

    Have fun out there!

    Best wishes.

  71. Rob,

    JNJ is one of the best companies in the entire world. It’s happily my largest position. Can’t imagine you’ll go wrong there. But if you do, I’ll be going wrong alongside you. 🙂

    Take care!

  72. Alex,

    Glad you enjoyed that!

    I definitely can’t time the market. But neither can anyone else. If it were necessary, no one would ever become financially independent. But it’s things like your savings rate, time in the market, and sticking to a holistic plan over the long haul that actually matters. People like things that are sexy. Things that look good on a headline. But living well below your means, regularly buying high-quality businesses that pay and grow dividends, reinvesting the dividend income, creating a lifestyle built around being free of the 9-5, and not panicking over the long term will actually be that which frees you.

    I’ve read articles here and there by people who focus on stocks so intensely. But then they fumble at things like how to carve out an identity without a job. It’s the big picture that people need to keep their eye on. 🙂

    Best regards.

  73. Tawcan,

    I feel pretty good about this. Could have had a better deal, but $90 is still a great deal if they can grow the dividend by 8% on average over the long run. That will matter more than the price I paid. It comes down to business performance really. So I’m more interested in seeing UNP prosper in a big way over the long run than nailing a certain stock price at a certain time of day.

    We’ll see how it goes. But I’m excited to be along for the ride. All aboard! 🙂

    Cheers.

  74. Geoff,

    Hey, that’s too bad. I was stopped by quite a few people and we chatted for a bit. Always fun. Maybe I’ll make it out again at some point down the road. 🙂

    As far as your question goes, it’s really quite simple. Nobody knows the future. I feel great about Union Pacific. But I could be wrong. So it comes down to how much of your dividend income you’re willing to bet on one company. It just comes down to diversification. Seeing a dividend cut if you own 20 or 30 companies is a lot different compared to if you own 50 or 70. The income loss in percentage terms is dramatically different. And there are a lot of businesses out there I love. UNP isn’t more special to me than JNJ, UTX, KO, V, DIS, or MSFT. It’s just another cog in my wheel. Just another really high-quality business that I’m glad to own. I have more or less exposure to some companies based on things like yield, my circle of competence, growth, etc. But that’s really it.

    Your question is one of concentration versus diversification. It’s an individual call. And that’s something I’ve addressed many, many times now. You’ll find articles using one of the two search bars – one at the top right and one about halfway down on the right sidebar.

    Hope that helps.

    Take care!

  75. Caversham,

    Nice! Glad to be a fellow shareholder with you. 🙂

    I’m with you. I can’t imagine we’ll be unhappy about owning a slice of this railroad a couple decades from now. Could be a rocky road there, but it should still be paved with plenty of dividends.

    Cheers!

  76. Hey Jason,

    I have suggestion for blog post…….get real-life success story of someone living solely off their dividend income?

  77. Hope you’re having a nice day in Florida, Jason! Nice purchase here. Always good to be on the same page as you, I also added to UNP recently and not at the best price either. I’m so excited to see what happens with the market from here and I can’t wait to keep adding forward income. Happy investing my friend!

  78. Chuck,

    Great idea!

    I interviewed Derek Foster a while back – he’s living off of dividend income. Although, he also writes books and speaks at events, though I would think someone who “retired” in their 30s would find it difficult, if not impossible, to still earn money doing something. And not a bad way to go about it, in my view.

    But that’s something I should revisit. I’ll try to put something together here pretty soon. 🙂

    Best wishes!

  79. Ryan,

    Great minds think alike. 🙂

    The price is all relative. If the price had never dropped, you would have thought you got in at a great price. It’d be like regretting buying JNJ at $85 because a flash crash offered it at $50 for five minutes, even though the fair value might be $100. Let value guide you, not price. 🙂

    Glad to be a fellow shareholder with you. I imagine we’ll be collecting growing dividends for years to come. But definitely excited for more volatility. Wouldn’t mind seeing things drop another 10% from here.

    Cheers!

  80. It doesn’t seem very mythical to me. Check out these articles.

    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/article-3176535/Self-driving-trucks-just-TWO-years-away-says-Daimler-set-ahead-trials-German-roads-months.html

    http://www.theguardian.com/technology/2015/aug/26/self-driving-crash-trucks-hit-florida-highways

    I’ve read articles where the drivers are 25% of the delivery cost. I would think that cost reduction would encourage trucking companies to adopt this faster then we might want or think.

  81. Sharon,

    Nice! Hope the trades work out for you. I’m definitely enjoying the recent moodiness, though today is a bit of a disappointment.

    We’ll see how it goes. 🙂

    Cheers.

  82. Hi Jason,

    Nice addition to the portfolio. I did empty my warchests on monday, I was trying to fill it back up. But the drop monday was an opportunity I had to take. I added to stocks to my existing portfolio of XOM, KO, RSDB and did initiate new positions in Nestle and BHP.

    Let the majorty of the investors( or speculators) panic I will be waiting to buy their stocks with a small.

    Cheers,
    Geblin

  83. Geblin,

    Way to go there. Excellent move. The you of 10 or 20 years from now will likely continue to profit from that single move. When you compound that kind of activity over and over and over again, amazing results can and will manifest themselves.

    Those people selling stocks for less than they’re worth have open, waiting arms here. I should have some more capital next week, so I’m hoping for more volatility. If not, I’ll continue doing my thing. 🙂

    Keep it up!

    Best wishes.

  84. Your sources are both British, and one of them is a tabloid. There’s a big difference between a truck going 5mph as it follows a lead car vs. fully autonomous trucks driving 65mph on the open highway. I’m not doubting it will happen, but I definitely don’t see it happening over the next two years in the US. And all it takes is a single accident involving a driverless truck and they will be pushed back another few years.

  85. DM,
    Thanks for sharing your goals, experiences, and being an inspiration for many investors. Never really thought of UNP, however after just getting back from a vacation through Oregon and Washington, UNP rules the transportation. Yes it was a 2k mile round trip driving but they were omnipresent. Still holding onto my Apple I bought around $15/share in college! Investor for life and enjoying the sale we have. Thoughts on DIS and BABA(I know low dividend and no dividend). Just thinking long term at a small diversified position.

  86. Josh,

    No problem. Happy to share! 🙂

    Thanks for the report from out west. I still have yet to visit the Pac NW. Something I want to do at some point here. Seems like a beautiful area of the country. The secret is out, though, and it’s pretty expensive out that way.

    I just wish I would have thought about investing back in my college days. I’d be so much further ahead right now. Live and learn. Great job there with Apple, though. That’s paid you plenty of dividends, literally and figuratively.

    As far as BABA goes, I don’t follow it at all. I did recently buy more DIS, though. I think $100/share is a pretty good deal on the stock as long as you’re in it for the long haul. The potential for the company over the next five years is staggering. Very exciting stuff.

    Thanks for dropping by!

    Best regards.

  87. Thanks and you have been doing a great job! While it’s tough to see a loss or big swing on a portfllio just think of the sale and dividends down the road…and done!

  88. Great buy again Jason 🙂 I will add this stock to my watchlist, looks like a good company

    Great days to buy nice stocks indeed, yesterday I bought EMR, ETN and DIS. My portfolio is going slow and steady and its quite diversed now 😀

    Keep on going 😉

    Greets

  89. Great buy Jason. I plan to add UNP to my port sometime in the foreseeable future. There’s some great buys out there right now. I really can’t get over how APPLE’s cash is now about ⅓ of its market cap. Is that nuts or what!?

  90. What a week! Too many bargains for my poor money…MMM, EMR, DOV, PM, KO…too many!
    In Black Monday I only buy NOVARTIS. Now I expect to see JNJ around 90$. I think we could see good price again in october, november…we’ll see!

    Cheers from Spain.

  91. Remco,

    Great stuff over there. Congrats on growing your portfolio by adding some high-quality companies over there. Looks like you’re building quite the collection. 🙂

    Keep it up!!

    Cheers.

  92. Cj,

    Definitely nuts. Apple’s market cap swung almost $100 billion on Monday. You hear about an efficient market, but you look at something like that and just roll your eyes at the suggestion. Apple is definitely cheap. Not sure if I want more or not, but it’s appealing here.

    Let’s stay busy!

    Thanks for dropping by.

    Best regards.

  93. Javier,

    Ha! I hear that. The thing is that you just don’t know when sales will come around. If you consistently average your way in, you’ll naturally come across them. And if you get your savings rate high enough, you should have that constant stream of cash flowing for you. Even then, though, you likely won’t be able to time it all just right. I had enough capital for another solid purchase there and picked up UNP a little early. But it’s all relative. If you would have told me a couple months ago I’d get UNP at $90, I would have bee ecstatic.

    Let’s see how it goes!

    Take care.

  94. LOMD,

    The deals are still out there, my friend. Not as good as Monday, but a lot better than a week or two ago. 🙂

    As long as everything doesn’t bounce back right away within a week, I’ll be happy. We’ll see.

    Happy shopping over there!

    Cheers.

  95. I think this is a nice buy. We have a lot of opportunities at the moment and it might probably not wrong to invest in the current situation. I didn´t buy anything on Monday and may be I lost a good possibility. I decided to wait till next week or even 2 weeks before I buy some new shares. I will have more money available and I want to see what the market is doing the next week. But on the long run it doesn´t matter.

    I will add my last 100 BBL in September and than I will see if I can add some KMI, if there is some money left. There are so many opportunities that it is really difficult to decide which company to buy. But thats a real nice problem for us all :).

  96. Hey Jason, not sure if you read the comments this far down the chain but I figured it’s worth a try.

    I’ve got a question regarding moving money out of a mutual fund (0 dividend income) into cash to reinvest in dividend yielding stocks while the market is relatively low. I almost liquidated before the dip but didn’t and now I’m at -6.5% of my $7,000 account. Do you think it’s worth it to liquidate, take the loss and average down/pick up new picks at current lows? I figured at an average 4% dividend return, I’d make up the $460 of losses in less than two years of dividends, and the growth in the stocks might be there as well on top of that.

    I’ve never sold anything for a loss so I’m a bit hesitant to do so, but it seems there is a case for it.

    Any thoughts from you or the other readers? Thanks!

  97. Well hope its ok to jump in here but since you asked. What mutual fund is it? Is it in a taxable account? Why would you want to sell? If it were me that would all probably determine what the right course of action is.

    I will say however, that in dealing in stocks we are dealing in human psychology, and unfortunately, how we perceive things often works against us. It’s much easier to sell your winners, and wait for your losers to come back up. Psychology aside, it’s often better sometimes to sell at a loss, despite any emotional distress it might cause. However, it depends on the situation I think.

    Jason will probably have a better answer but that’s my 2 cents.

  98. olli0816,

    Yeah, it’s just impossible to time things just right. Even if you have capital for those downturns, how much is enough? How long will the downturn last? Deploy it all in hopes that’s it? Or average it in, waiting for a better deal? These are questions that require a time machine to answer, so I just don’t bother with it. Sticking to the plan in a holistic manner is really what matters most. Catching every stock at it’s absolute bottom – an impossible task – is, fortunately, unnecessary. 🙂

    Happy shopping over there. I’d be aware of BBL’s ex-dividend date since it’s just the semi-annual dividend. Miss out and it’ll be another six months before the next dividend rolls around. That’s a big dividend to miss out on.

    Cheers!

  99. The mutual fund is FOCPX, account is taxable. I would want to sell to move the funds over to BBL and some other 4%+ dividend stocks while they’re relatively low. The alternative is to sit and wait and do the same thing later when the market’s gone back up

  100. Ian,

    I’m happy to help, but that’s really an impossible question for me to answer.

    It really all depends on your goals. You’ll have to figure out what retirement/financial independence looks like in the sense of how you generate income from investments. So that then becomes an issue of withdrawing 4% of your assets versus collecting the passive and growing dividend income. It’s obvious where I stand on that.

    I’d caution the “while the market is relatively low” sentiment, however. The broader market appears to be overvalued right now. Potentially significantly so. Some high-quality stocks have corrected pretty harshly, but the overall stock market is nowhere near a low. It’s still near all-time highs.

    What I would do is really figure out my goals, time horizon, risk tolerance, and income needs. I would also take a look at the expense ratio on the mutual fund. Some of them have high fees, and anything over 0.5% annually is high, in my opinion. If reading annual reports and looking at financial statements is fun for you, then this could be a very, very rewarding strategy during the accumulation phase. But if you’d rather just quickly put money to work and move on, then holding funds might be the better way to go. No one-size-fits-all approach to investing. But I would take a look at the fund, what it’s invested in, and then compare that against my objectives. In order to do so, you first need to have objectives. And that’s really a personal call.

    Best of luck. Hope that helps!

    Cheers.

  101. Well thanks Jason, I think I’ll go with taking my money out of the mutual fund and putting it to work with dividends. Getting $3,000 of BBL with the dividend coming up will make back more than half of the losses in the first month so that makes things easier to swallow.

  102. Zol,

    Thanks for sharing.

    Charts are what you make them. But if you zoom way in to daily movements, the stock market looks pretty scary. Zoom way out over a 20-year or 30-year period, however, and you see that it’s just an incredible money-making machine that is stacked in the long-term investor’s favor. The broader market doubles something like every seven or eight years. Worrying about what’s going on on a random Tuesday or something when that kind of wealth building is occurring is just silly.

    Best wishes!

  103. My time horizon is long as I’m under 30; part of the move has to do with wanting to simplify my finances and get my accounts all under one roof as well. Another reason I want to get rid of the mutual fund is higher fees and less control and the fact that it’s a bunch of money not paying me back in dividends… For retirement/income I’d rather mimic your approach with a 401k thrown in on the side. A mutual fund sitting there doesn’t really fit in for me. Thanks!

  104. Ian,

    Then it sounds like you’ve thought it through and you’re making the right choice for your long-term objectives.

    Best of luck. Should be a lot of fun. I know I’m having a wonderful time with it. Like I said, it’s incredibly rewarding. 🙂

    Cheers!

  105. I drive a semi. The decision making process takes years if not decades to master. The variables are mind boggling. It isn’t like driving a car or pickup. When weather changes you have to approach everything differently. What happens when a tarped load comes untarped or what happens when a strap or chain binder comes undone? They’d have to automate that too. Loaders, unloaded, rain and snow, high winds, all of these introduce complex variables and this is before we even get to route planning or rerouting. I could go on and on but you get the point

  106. Just a thought, I know how you’ve talked about freedom existing on a spectrum, I figured you could make a short piece in the future maybe talking about or even project the FIRST month that is going to cover 100% expenses. Since your dividends aren’t entirely evenly distributed there will be a month in the not too distant future that will experience the cross over point well before you cross over entirely.

  107. It’s looking like March could possibly be the first month to cross over. When it happens just know that you will NEVER have to work another March ever again!

  108. Jason,

    Yeah, that’s a great suggestion. But I’m still a long way off from any one month covering 100% of expenses. At least a few years out right now. But when I get closer, that’ll definitely be something I write about in regards to what it looks like, how it feels, and projections looking out. Of course, expenses are oscillating along the way, so it’s a moving target.

    I also have an idea on a new concept in regards to living off of dividend income and how that interacts with the spectrum of freedom. Could speed things along a little bit once someone isn’t too far away from the finish line. Hope to put something together here pretty soon.

    Best regards!

  109. djpfaadt,

    Definitely. That’s something I’ve addressed in the analyses. Although, I feel it’s more than priced in here with the recent change in valuation.

    Cheers!

  110. Nice purchase, Jason. Sorry you missed last week’s sale.

    I’ve been wondering for a while why I always came up with slightly lower valuations than you when I ran my DDM calculations. I think I figured out where the difference is. I have found two different DDM formulas on the web.

    So my question for you is: what is the reason you use the one you do?

    For both we use k=discount rate, g=growth rate.

    Formula A (the one you obviously use): Annual Dividend*(1+g)/(k-g)

    Formula B (this is the how DDM is listed on investopedia): Annual Dividend/(k-g)

    Because B puts the current dividend in the numerator, while A uses the dividend after the first period of growth, B inherently spits out a slightly lower, more conservative valuation.

    I use B on my stock tracking google sheet, but I’m open to suggestion if there’s a compelling case for A.

    I’m sure you’ve discussed this somewhere before, but I can’t find it on the site. Searching for “dividend discount model” or “valuation” or any other number of terms brings back a lot of “related” posts as you could imagine.

    Thanks for the feedback. Keep up the great work!

  111. Jacob,

    Yeah, I’ve seen this come up before. I’m honestly not sure why there would be any discrepancy. But I extrapolate out the current dividend, instead of looking backward at dividends already paid. That could lead to a difference since I’m looking forward, not backward.

    The spreadsheet I use can be found here:

    https://www.dividendmantra.com/dividendtoolkit/

    In addition, a simple calculator (that spits out the same information as what I present) can be found here:

    http://www.calculatorpro.com/calculator/dividend-discount-model-calculator/

    It’s possible the numbers I’m looking at (especially considering the forward-looking nature of the dividend calculation) is a target price looking out, rather than discounting it all the way back to today. But I find my numbers jive pretty well with Morningstar, which I consider one of the better analysis services out there. I consider the output pretty accurate when looking at the input, though.

    Hope that helps!

    Cheers.

  112. Thanks. That is helpful. I think you’re probably right about it being a “target” price looking forward.

    I found that calculator too, but I also found this one which uses the current dividend in the numerator:

    http://www.miniwebtool.com/dividend-discount-model-calculator/

    I think I’m going to stick with the one that kicks out a slightly lower number. If I have a choice between two assumptions and one is more conservative than the other, I tend to take the more conservative.

    It really puts into perspective how careful one has to be with valuation formulas. A slight change in the assumptions can have a pretty big impact on the output. For example UNP would go from “undervalued” to slightly “overvalued” by simply assuming a 7% DGR ($78.47 with your calculation, $73.33 with the other one); a 1% difference in DGR assumption creates a 33% swing in the “fair value” calculation!

    At the end of the day a valuation based on a formula is exactly that: an imaginary number spit out by a calculation. You need to have conviction that the company is well positioned to grow for a long time, and that the growth will be shared with investors through increasing dividend payments.

    I think your conviction in UNP’s ability to do just that is absolutely justified and the 35 shares you own are well worth the $3,553.79 you’ve paid for them.

  113. Jacob,

    Indeed. Valuing stocks is not an exact science. So anyone looking for a “down-to-the-penny” figure when looking at how much to pay for a stock is going to be sorely disappointed. It’s part art and part science, but the output is only as good as in the input. Garbage in, garbage out.

    A change of 1% in the long-term growth rate will definitely change your valuation quite a bit. And that’s because if you were to change your CAGR of an investment by 1% over the next 50 years, the difference in the end value is going to be pretty large. $50k that compounds at 7% over the next 50 years will be worth about $1.6 million. Compound it by 8% per year over that same 50-year stretch and it’s worth almost $2.7 million. That’s why I tend to be pretty conservative in these numbers, choosing a growth rate that’s reasonably lower than the demonstrated growth of a business over the last 10+ years. In the end, though, it’s up to you to determine what a business is worth to you. Either way, a margin of safety is recommended in case you’re wrong with your assumptions or the business does something that wasn’t anticipated.

    Best regards.

  114. For sure!

    I use 0.5% less than the 10 year mean DGR (with a max of 8%) from Dave Fish’s spreadsheet as the starting point for my DGR assumption. Then I usually revise down from there if there is a high payout ratio and/or if the CAGR for revenue and/or EPS over the last 10 years suggests that the DGR might be too aggressive. And then throughout the course of my research any future risks, headwinds, etc. all result in further downward revisions if I think they’ll seriously impact future growth…that’s where the “art” part of the process really starts to have an effect.

    I like how you sanity check your results with Morningstar and S&P Capital IQ. Also really like the data you reference on future growth projections. But, unless I’m missing something, that all comes from those sites’ premium services. Do you pay for them or is it a comp because of your website (affiliate link perk sort of thing?) I would really like to shift some of the emphasis on my analysis from past performance to future growth projections, but I’m very conservative about spending too much on analysis services. I can get the history for free, but projections all seem to come at a cost, unless I’m just not looking in the right place.

  115. Jacob,

    I wouldn’t place too much emphasis on future projections. These analysts are getting their information from a variety of sources that are easily accessible/free, like a company’s own guidance. And you’ll see earnings misses/beats almost every quarter. It’s all just guesswork really. If there is anyone who can actually accurately guess where a company is going to be three years from now, they should be really, really wealthy.

    Most of these reports, however, are free through brokerages. That’s how I access S&P Capital IQ, for instance. I would contact your brokerage and find out which tools are available. Almost every analysis service out there provides their own projections, which, of course, vary.

    Hope that helps. Good luck!

    Cheers.

  116. You’re right about it being a lot of guesswork. I’ve always held a lot of skepticism towards analysts, but at the same time, I still need to learn to trust myself at coming to an equally (or more) logical conclusion. Like you said, if they really knew what was going to happen, they should be extremely wealthy. They probably wouldn’t need to grind away at a job making projections!

    My brokerage is Capital One Investing (used to be Sharebuilder.) I’ve been with them for a long time now…goes back to when I opened an ING online checking account that paid 5% interest…ah those were the days!

    You’re right, I can download Morningstar, Sabrient, The Street and Markit Research reports for free through their research portal. I never noticed the report downloads before…

    At first glance the Morningstar report seems to be the one most worth reading. They’re actually written by people. I’ve seen the other guys’ analysis for free as “news” links below online articles, and they sound like they’re written by robots. Plus Morningstar is the only one that doesn’t seem completely preoccupied with the stock’s price chart…

    Thanks for the thoughtful replies.

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