Are You Just Treading Water?

treadingwaterAs much as some would have you believe otherwise, you are in control of your own destiny.

I was guilty of not believing this myself, treading the financial waters of my life for years and living paycheck to paycheck.

But just treading water means you’re one leg cramp away from drowning. And if you like to avoid drowning as much as I do, it’s important to recognize the importance of building as large a spread as possible between the income you take in and the expenses that flow out.

5% Savings Rate

As I discussed recently, the power of frugality is real. Earning more income is no doubt wonderful, but keeping more of what you make is even better.

Americans’ savings rate oscillates over time, naturally. And exactly how much Americans save is difficult to determine exactly, as there is a lot of conflicting data out there.

However, according to this data from the St. Louis Federal Reserve, the personal savings rate is under 5% as of just a couple of months ago. And that rate seems to jive with everything else I see.

5%?!

It should be noted that saving 5% of your income means you’re not only not going to retire early, but you  might possibly never retire.

Now, this is a savings rate based off of disposable income, which would include the savings of pre-tax income in traditional retirement vehicles like a 401(k). And those numbers aren’t looking good either. According to a tally by Fidelity Investments, and published by CNN Money, the average 401(k) balance hit $89,300 at the end of last year. Even worse, those aged 55-64 years old and on the verge of retirement had average 401(k) balances of just $165,200.

I don’t write this to freak you out – but I can guarantee you that $165,000 will not provide a very comfortable retirement. Rather, I write this to inspire you to not just tread water.

I’m No Longer Treading Water

I was treading along for years. I felt like at any second I could drown. Taking my attention away from the energy required to keep floating for even a second meant I was going under. I lived all of my life with no care for the future, living life for today. YOLO!

But guess what? Odds are pretty good that tomorrow is going to come. And as an optimist, I’m quite confident I have a lot of tomorrows still coming my way. How do you want to live those tomorrows? Treading water, scared of drowning? Or chilling on the beach with a drink in your hand?

I decided to stop treading water and swim to shore. I drastically cut expenses while simultaneously adding as much income as possible. This aggressiveness on my part created a large spread between income and expenses, and I’ve been able to save more than 50% of my net income for four straight years.

I sold my car and rode the bus. I stopped going out to restaurants on the daily. I bought a scooter. I moved to a cheaper and smaller apartment. I canceled cable television. And I focused on being present rather than the objects I may not have had. Being alive is already a gift, and I think we too often lose perspective of that.

Living below my means allowed me to build a six-figure portfolio in three years on a modest income. And now that portfolio is spitting out almost $6,000 per year in passive dividend income all by itself. The spread continues.

The key is to realize you don’t need as much as you might think you do. Sure, we all have needs. It’s nice to have a roof over your head, food in your belly, running water and electricity in your home, and a bed to sleep on.

But do you need a new SUV? Steak for dinner? Six pairs of shoes? 2,000 square feet or more of living space? A 70-inch television complete with a cable package? Granite counter tops?

See, our wants are insatiable. 

These are the things that can weigh on you and make it hard to swim to shore. It’s tough to float when you’ve got an anchor weighing you down, and our insatiable wants are that anchor.

And what’s awaiting you ashore besides a cold beverage and a seat next to me? Well, that’s already enough, isn’t it? No? Okay, I kinda figured as much.

Well, how about the path to financial independence? You know, the magical place where you can set your own schedule, spend more time with loved ones, walk and bike around instead of driving everywhere, exercise more and optimize your body, work on projects and passions that drive you, volunteer to make your community a better place, travel, write, read, and just be a better overall person.

The Choice Is Yours

Now, if you can save 40-50% of your income and have everything you could possibly want at the same time then that’s great. But most of us don’t earn the type of six-figure income necessary to have it all while still saving enough for financial independence.

Thus, choices must be made.

And what you want out of life all really depends on you. Some want financial independence. Some want a big house and a new sports car. There’s nothing inherently right or wrong with either of those life paths, but it is important to be honest with yourself and walk the path that befits you.

You don’t want to be working for 50 hours or more per week to afford a luxury lifestyle if you’re miserable every second. Likewise, you don’t want to live frugally to attain financial independence if you’d rather just work until you’re dead to afford all the fancy stuff you see in glossy magazines. I naturally assume few people who actually live in the real world would prefer the latter choice, but so be it if that is you. Nothing wrong with that, but be honest with yourself and live accordingly.

I found nothing gained by having my wants satiated. I simply found myself wanting more. And that’s the hedonic treadmill that forces you to run faster and faster, yet with no more distance covered. You just find yourself exhausted, in the same spot you started. And that’s because you can’t escape yourself.

Personally, I’ve come to the point to where you could give me $100,000 more per year and I’d probably save and invest just about all of it. Happiness truly comes from within, and that requires no money at all. I believe all of us have a baseline happiness level. Earning and spending a ton of money may seem pretty exciting at first, but soon thereafter you’ll realize you’re still just you. Your natural happiness level will reset back to where you started, and that’s that. Except you’re probably stuck holding the bag full of debt and a job that requires most of your waking hours.

So you can choose to continue spending to momentarily and temporarily inch that happiness up, or you can embrace who you really are. But you have to live inside of yourself, which is why it’s so important to live within yourself.

Conclusion

If you want to stop treading water you have to lose the anchors. Cast off insatiable wants and swim to shore. I’ll have a cold beverage waiting for you.

Are you treading water? Or are you already on land enjoying the fruits of living below your means? 

Thanks for reading.

Photo Credit: iosphere/FreeDigitalPhotos.net

Edit: Corrected the including of average 401(k) balances as part of disposable income. 

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172 Comments

  1. Great, thought provoking post here Jason. Pick the path that matches your desires and proceed full steam ahead. Not everyone desires early retirement, and there is nothing wrong with that. Conversely, there is nothing wrong with saving and investing to find the freedom that is obtainable with saving aggressively.

    Freedom and fulfillment are both extremely individualized, and no two people will be on the same page entirely, but learning to distinguish between insatiable wants and those that can actually be satisfied will provide insight to anyone.

  2. Good points DM,

    Great photo to support your points :d .

    I was in the situation like you, but I learned my mistakes and started to living below my means. Every time when I save and invest some money, I feel like a step closer to my dream (million dollar dream).

    I am still driving 13 years old Toyota Camry even though I have enough money to buy a fancy car. I need a car to travel from point A to B, not to show off for other people.

    Take two scenarios, buy car vs invest the money into dividend stocks, and calculate the net after 10 years. The car value will be almost zero, but the investment value will be more than triple.

    Cheers,

  3. I guess I’m not on shore yet but I’m at least in the shallows with my feet firmly on the ground and working closer to that beach chair. I’ve noticed that every time I do end up splurging and buying something completely frivolous it requires even more the next time I do so. Luckily my baseline happiness level is a rather frugal existence so it overlaps with the idea of financial independence quite nicely.

    I always want to put a big * whenever I see the 401k numbers for that 55+ age group. Most of them will have some form of pension, assuming the company is able to continue paying it. A $500 per month pension is equivalent to a $170k portfolio at 3% yield. So I don’t think the numbers are quite as dire as the 401k numbers show but it’s still not rosy.

  4. Great post Jason! I am working my way towards the shore and looking at what weight can be cut next! It is kind of fun to try new things or ways to save money! And actually you run into a problem where working full time prevents you from trying alot of the things you want to do. I don’t feel like I have enough time to tend to a garden to grow some vegetables, but I would try it out if I wasn’t working full time for sure. It may seem odd at first, but frugality itself can bring upon excitement and happiness as we strive to get back to the basics in life and the things that matter.

    Kipp

  5. So speaking of 401k & Saving %’s! So I save about 18% in my 401k but I do it on ($mine+$match)/$Salary. So I’d say disposable income would be more like 30% savings rate. That’s just taking advantage of a very favorable matching system. If I retire early I’ll have more than made up the 10% fee and I can just do the equal distributions route. I really like my job so I’m not looking to retire early perse but it’s nice to know I could.

    I’d imagine most of your readers have similiarly compelling stories but I’d wager that’s because we’re reading your blog in the first place 😉

    As JC said i’m not too worried about the older generation near retirement so much as my generation who are far away from retirement. Now the thing I don’t get is how they aren’t thinking ahead to see that they’re going to be hurting when they get older. Especially for professionals once they start to get age discriminated and really start to not want to work so hard it’ll already be too late. Hopefully since so many sit on their smart phones all day, if they happen to read blogs like this maybe they can get their heads out of the sand! I’ve been reading for a long time and will continue, keep up the good work DM.

  6. Another Great Post Jason! I have been trying to get my younger brother and sister to take this approach. Both just recently graduated from college and they seem to want everything right away. New car, big house, etc. I recently introduced to them to DGI, but they are only saving a fraction of what the should be. In time I hope they see the light.
    I am currently saving around 35% of my income. Once I pay off some business debt and my car loan, I should be up to around 50%. Looking forward to that day.
    Mr.StockFox

  7. This is indeed a very thought provoking post. I liked these sentences “Happiness truly comes from within, and that requires no money at all. I believe all of us have a baseline happiness level. Earning and spending a ton of money may seem pretty exciting at first, but soon thereafter you’ll realize you’re still just you.”

    However, based on my research on the savings levels, those do include savings such as 401K plans. So in reality, the savings is a little worse than I expected too.

  8. Great article. No matter what type of debt you have, debt is still debt. By saving and investing most of your income monthly you can definitely see the light. The greatest thing people can do is pay their mortgage off as soon as possible. You’ll be amazed with how much you can save when you’re #1 expense is elimated!!!!!!!!

    All the best,

  9. “I don’t write this to freak you out – but I can guarantee you that $165,000 will not provide a very comfortable retirement” -Jasin, what is your opinion should be annual income for couple in US to live comfortable (assuming there is no debt)?
    Also, just wondering.if you have something like government based CPP (canadian pension plan)/OAS(old age security) ?

  10. DM,
    We talk a lot about needs vs. wants in our household. Sometimes a sentence will start with, “We need a….”. I try to follow that up with, “Do we want or need it?”. Usually the answer is want. We need milk for our son. But do we need a new piece of furniture to fill the empty space in our room?

    All good stuff in this post. Savings rate is an important place to start for anyone trying to turn their lives around. Downsize or eliminate the car, buy and do things that are necessary, not that ones that just make you feel good.
    -RBD

  11. I’ve seen similar numbers here in Canada as well. Having very little saving rate and very little in registered retirement accounts. It always shocks me to see this kind of report but in a way I guess it’s not really a shock. So many ppl are eyeball high in debt because they cannot control their spending habits and don’t understand the concept of living below your means. People have too many wants but never think about if they really need it. When they accumulate too much stuff then they “need” a bigger house. Then the cycle repeats.

  12. W2R,

    Thanks for stopping by! Glad to see you around after the break. I hope married life is treating you very well. 🙂

    I’m with you on individualized desires and lifestyles. I actually met up with a reader a while ago and had an interesting conversation about Thoreau. I was so excited to read more about him, and it seems like he was so far ahead of his time. But it turns out he was quite polarizing because he felt like everyone should live like he does.

    I’ve never been like that. I approach all of this from a ‘live and let live’ perspective. I think a lot of visionaries fail to see that people are all unique. We all have different goals, perspectives, aspirations, and interests. So while I appreciate more hardcore ‘this is the way to live’ attitudes when the viewpoint seems pretty accurate, that’s simply my opinion agreeing with another. And I recognize that.

    Thanks for stopping by!

    Best wishes.

  13. FJ,

    The photo is perfect, right? 🙂

    I’m with you on the car. I drive a 2006 Toyota Corolla and I actually feel guilty for driving a car at all. I wish I could get by with a bike and my own two feet alone, but I’m not in the right area for that right now. And even if I were to live in a city with decent public transportation it would be tough for me to see my family as much as I’d like to with no car. So I suppose driving an older ho-hum car will have to do for now.

    Cheers!

  14. JC,

    I’d say you’re on shore with me, bud. Saving well over half of your income and a portfolio that rivals retirees in their 60s even while you’re only in your 30s is pretty far along. 🙂

    Although, I’m not sure about “most” people having a pension. Certainly some, but not most. Difficult to say how many of them are entering retirement with some type of DB pension, but the recent stats I’ve seen show about 20% or so of workers having access to such plans. And of those, many are having funding issues. Of course, there will be some with IRAs, taxable accounts, home equity, and SS. So all is not lost.

    Best regards!

  15. Kipp,

    I’m with you. I found it fun when first testing myself to see exactly what I could get by without. I thought it would be IMPOSSIBLE to live in SW Florida without a car. But it wasn’t. It was actually exciting. I found the world slowed down a bit when I wasn’t fighting traffic and zooming around everywhere. I was able to see the world around me a bit more on the bus and on the scooter. Fun times!

    Frugality can be exciting if you look at it through that type of lens. 🙂

    Best wishes.

  16. That’s right! Only 59% Canadians contribute into RRSp and about 50% into TFSA….

  17. anti1b,

    Yeah, it’s probably tough to get a real accurate slice of how much people are saving here because one would assume that by reading this blog you’re already regularly saving and investing.

    But I certainly hope you’re right in regards to some of those in our generation getting it together before it’s too late. 🙂

    Appreciate the support very much! Thank you for stopping by.

    Best wishes.

  18. Mr. Stock Fox,

    Saving 35% of your income is very solid! That’s more than seven times the average. And getting it up to 50% would be even better.

    Keep spreading the word, though. It’ll catch on for those who want to listen. 🙂

    Cheers.

  19. DGI,

    It appears you’re right. I was getting conflicting information when I wrote this post, but the math (savings % and end result) obviously points to disposable income counting all income left after taxes. Pre-tax contributions to savings plans still counts as savings, because the income you would have otherwise had would have been disposable. You can’t save money you don’t have.

    This description from Wikipedia explains it nicely, and I wish I would have found it before:

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Disposable_and_discretionary_income

    I edited the post to reflect my error. Thanks for catching that!

    Best regards.

  20. Finding what you love to do in life is very important. How many of us know people that stay in jobs they hate because they are too scared to make the jump? You made the jump Jason and i am sure you have inspired others.

  21. j-harr,

    I can imagine wanting to be in a hurry to get rid of a mortgage. I don’t have one, but if I did I would have to carefully consider the interest rate and whether or not I’d be better off paying it off as soon as possible or investing the difference. Of course, finding yourself free of a mortgage means you’re in a wonderful spot for the rest of your life (assuming you don’t take on a mortgage at a later date).

    Cheers!

  22. gibor,

    Well, that’s a hard question to answer. Really depends on your lifestyle, how many people you’re supporting, expenses, other income sources, health issues, etc. However, I would think most people might have a tough time making that kind of portfolio last 20 or 30 years, but it depends on other income sources like Social Security, pensions, IRAs, taxable accounts, real estate, etc.

    We have Social Security here in the US. We’re forced to pay 6.2% of our income as a type of tax and the employer matches that 6.2%. If you’re self-employed then you have to pay the full 12.4%. You can start collecting a payment as early as 62 years old, though forgoing the benefit for a few years increases the payment.

    Best regards!

  23. RBD,

    I’m with you. Wants and needs are easily confused here in a first world country where our needs are already easily satisfied.

    Fortunately, life just isn’t that hard. We’re blessed already with the gift of being alive and an abundance of almost everything you need to survive. I suppose people naturally have to turn their attention somewhere at that point, and it’s easy to start satisfying wants instead of focusing on just being present.

    Thanks for stopping by!

    Best regards.

  24. Tawcan,

    It’s an endless cycle. It doesn’t really bother me if that’s how people want to live. I only aim to inspire others who want out of the cycle. I was once caught up in that same cycle of earn-spend-waste-earn and wanted out. I was glad to have a community of like-minded people out there spreading the knowledge, and I always wanted to give back in the same way. And this is my platform for that. 🙂

    Best wishes!

  25. John,

    I’m really blessed. I was in a job I strongly disliked for years to build up the capital, opportunity, income, and knowledge necessary to jump to something I would enjoy more. And I’ll always be grateful for all of it. I suppose you can’t know happiness until you know misery, and I’ve seen both sides of the coin.

    Thanks for the kind words! I do hope I inspire others out there as that’s my main ambition with writing.

    Best regards.

  26. The worst part about treading water, I think, is the mental toll it takes to stay afloat. I remember worrying about money all the time – I’d calculate how much my next paycheck was going to be so that I would know how much I could put on my credit card when I was on a buying spree. Once I got paid, all of that money would just go right back out of my account again and drop my balance down to near zero.

    Hoo boy, this post really brings me back to a dark dark time.

  27. Dude… love your site but you repeat yourself and link out too much to older articles. New articles are turning into link filled references and not enough meat on the subject.

    no disrespect intended.

  28. Surprisingly , here in Canada we pay less : “The amount you contribute is based on your employment income.

    You make contributions only on your annual earnings between a minimum and a maximum amount (these are called your pensionable earnings). The minimum amount is frozen at $3,500. The maximum amount is set each January, based on increases in the average wage in Canada.

    In 2013, the maximum amount is $51,100. The contribution rate on these pensionable earnings is 9.9%, split equally between you and your employer. If you are self-employed, you pay the full 9.9%. The maximum contribution for employers and employees in 2013 is $2,356.20 each.

    If you are self-employed, the maximum contribution is $4,712.40.”
    Also we pay 1.88% Employment insurance , up to $913.68/per year

  29. DM,

    Money for me can accomplish one of two things. It can be used to accumulate stuff or buy freedom. You along with many of your readers, including myself, are working on gaining freedom. Keep up the good work with your investments and your blog income!

    MDP

  30. I wish there would be more people that to get out of that cycle.

    I’m in the same boat as you that’s why I started blogging. 🙂

  31. 5%?! That’s a terrible savings rate! And the worst part is that so many people actually believe it’s all they need to do! sure.. maybe if you want to be working till the day you die. It always makes me laugh when someone at work pipes out the like “Oh, we’ll be working till we’re 70 anyway with this government”, No my friend, YOU’LL be working till you’re 70 whilst sipping your expensive coffee each morning and driving in a huge 4×4. I just wish more people would get off the treadmill earlier in their lives when they are still young and fit enough to enjoy the freedom.

  32. Big fan of the little scooters/motorbikes. Dirt cheap, never get stuck in traffic and FUN to ride around whilst you get an awesome view of the world around you. I find I tend to ‘zone out’ whilst on a bus, but when riding around Im far more focused and enjoying the ride.

  33. I am all for saving, but less than 6 pairs of shoes?!?! Running shoes, hiking boots, winter boots, work shoes, formal shoes and casual dress, not to mention sandals/flip flops! Ahhh! 🙂

  34. Seraph,

    Couldn’t agree with you more. I found work to be incredibly less stressful when I realized that I didn’t have to be there anymore. Once you have sizable assets generating income for you, the stress kind of melts away.

    I can’t imagine ever going back to a paycheck-to-paycheck lifestyle. Way too mentally draining!

    And the great thing about savings is that there is indeed a light at the end of the tunnel. Meanwhile, living in debt and paycheck to paycheck means there is never any light at the end of the tunnel. That is indeed dark.

    Thanks for stopping by.

    Best regards!

  35. Nice drop in the market this afternoon, are you getting your list together. looking to add positions(have waited along time for a pullback- We may just have one!) Looking into PG, MCD,CL, DE What’s your thoughts, hoping for the market to pull back further around the 1865-1875 level. That should put PG around the low 70’s and DE in the low 80’s Would think those levels would be inticing to start a position.

    Thanks,

  36. Dividend Jack,

    Sorry you feel that way. I try to write for advanced savers/investors and beginners alike. And I assume that people that come here are well past the infantile stages of personal finance. As such, I don’t spam you readers with “the best credit card offers” and “three ways to save $50 this month” or “US CD rates”.

    However, there’s really only so much one can say about personal finance/early retirement. Saving money and building assets is a lot like losing weight. Once you have the basics down it’s simply a matter of staying motivated on a day to day basis. And I try to provide that inspiration and motivation. So you do see some of the same topics come up a lot. However, I try to put new spins on those topics, as I did here.

    But if you have any suggestions I’d be happy to review and possibly write about them.

    Cheers.

  37. MDP,

    I couldn’t imagine wanting to own anything more than my own freedom. We’ll see if/how my attitude and perspective changes once I do indeed have my freedom, but I anticipate I’ll live much like I do now. Once you realize “stuff” doesn’t really do much of anything for you it’s kind of hard to go back.

    Thanks for adding that!

    Best regards.

  38. ERG,

    Yeah, I think people naturally want to blame anyone but themselves. It’s hard to look in the mirror and realize that you’re your own worst enemy. But as I’ve written about before, people have to want to change if they’re going to change. And I believe the best attitude on that is to be the change you want to see. So that’s what I’m doing. 🙂

    It’s unfortunate that you see this pervasive “blame everyone but myself” attitude, but I suppose that’s just human nature.

    Best wishes.

  39. ERG,

    Yeah, I miss zipping around on my scooter. However, I did feel a bit exposed to the elements. Mainly, I always had a small fear of getting in an accident. It’s one thing to fall off a bike at 15 mph, and quite another falling off a scooter at 45 mph. But it sure was fun. I may get another scooter at some point, but I’m seasonally limited up here.

    Cheers!

  40. Dividend Wisp,

    Ha! I guess I’d ask myself how often I wear some of these shoes. I personally have one pair of casual shoes that also alternate as dress shoes, one pair of exercise shoes, and one pair of sandals. I used to have a pair of work shoes as well, but I don’t need them any more.

    I think seven pairs of shoes for a guy is pretty strong, but if that works for you then that’s cool. Not going to break the bank. 🙂

    Cheers!

  41. j-harr,

    Indeed! My watch list remains the same, though. DE, V, and GE still look quite appealing here. KO is starting to become appealing again. And I sometimes think of adding to my TIS position.

    I suspect my most likely purchase for August is going to be DE, but we’ll see. 🙂

    I definitely wouldn’t mind seeing DE in the low $80s. And I think PG in the low $70s would definitely be a solid opportunity.

    Best wishes.

  42. This got me wondering if I could drive a moped or a scooter to work, the only restriction in Michigan I am finding is not on freeways… it may be possible, except those darn winters… Not sure what the return on capital would be.

  43. With today’s sale, I added to my position in BP. The yield is up to 4.78%. Yippie! I also like some of the stocks mentioned in the comments at today’s prices. Maybe if we are lucky, they’ll be even better tomorrow.
    Wishing all of you the best of good buys!

  44. I’m doing a bit of swimming and a bit of floating on my back, but I’m definitely not drinking a brew on shore, yet.

    I live in a 950sq ft house, I don’t have TV, I open the windows instead of using A/C, I fix what I can myself, I borrow or rent, I eat at home (mostly)… Pretty simple stuff!

  45. I decided to save 30% of my income at least starting 4 years ago…I am surprised when I hear people say they hate there jobs, but spend all there money. They are not preparing themselves to leave that job that they hate. The only way that they could leave that job is by being laid off or fired. If you save and invest money, it give you more CHOICE..

    My life is a lot LESS STRESSFUL after making the decision to save and invest 30% of my income from all sources..

  46. DM,

    For your rent expenses, I see you currently pay only $200 in rent. You’re freeloading at the expense of family so that you can benefit of building your financial fund. When you reach your 15k yearly dividend, do you still plan on living with family? I’m sure many of your readers could also build a 6-figure equity portfolio in 3 years if they were also renting for dirt cheap.

  47. Kipp,

    Yeah, the whole winter situation would make it tough. It would still save a lot of money, I’m sure. The only thing would be storing it and what not for the winter months.

    Cheers!

  48. KeithX,

    Nice!

    I still like DE, V, and GE here. But KO is starting to get interesting again. It’s nice to see stocks start to drop down finally. 🙂

    Keep up the great work!

    Best regards.

  49. DM,

    Long time reader first time poster.

    I believe that once you have a family you will quickly understand how expenses can add up. Diapers, butt cream, wipes all add up to the monthly bill. We just bought a new car after the second child arrived (my in laws own a dealership so we got a fantastic deal and my other car is a 16 year old car.)

    I agree to living within your means and below what you make but sometimes life is too short. Is splurging for a nice cut of beef every once in awhile going to break the bank? That just means you cut/sacrifice somewhere else.

    Keep up the posts.

    Canadian reader

  50. WE,

    Simple, indeed!

    It’s like losing weight. We all know you have to ingest less calories than we burn to lose weight. However, knowing and doing are two different concepts.

    And much like saving money, it’s easier said than done. Simple, but hard to do. Fortunately, it gets easier as you go, especially once compounding takes over as I recently discussing with the ‘Snowball’ article. 🙂

    Thanks for stopping by!

    Best regards.

  51. IP,

    I’m totally with you. Money in and of itself creates joy simply because there’s less to stress about. Once you don’t have to worry about how bills are going to get paid life just becomes WAY easier. And what’s not to like about that??

    Cheers!

  52. bib,

    Your comment is so ignorant and incorrect I’m tempted to not even respond.

    I built my six-figure portfolio in three years while renting a $900+ two bedroom apartment with my girlfriend (and her child). Very easy to do for anyone out there. Last I knew, you didn’t have to be anyone special to rent an apartment.

    If you spent more time reading you would know that. Or perhaps you’re illiterate? Your comment makes me wonder. If you need any tutoring I can find someone for you.

    And I’m not freeloading. I live in a small town in rural USA where one bedroom apartments go for $350 and SFH are sold for $45k. I’m paying market rate while simultaneously helping my sister out as she just had a baby. I’d rather keep money in the family and spend more time with my niece than pay slightly more, give the money to a management company, and spend less time with my family.

    It looks like this is your first comment here. I hope it’s your last. You’re free to explore the rest of the internet from now on. There’s plenty of people just like you all over the internet. You’ll be right at home. 🙂

    Cheers.

  53. Thanks for the insight, this market can become very interesting fast!! I’m glad I have some cash to deploy @ this time.

    Thanks,

  54. DM, I just looked at TIS, That looks encouraging, the first half of the year looks bad but the comments for the second half of the year and the fact the CEO just bought 3k shares could be a great entry point. I do not currently hold this stock but, as you can tell I’ve been looking to start a pos in PG. The yield on that looks good trading near a 52 week low as well. This would be a small position in my portfolio but could be worth it, What do you think????

    Thanks,

  55. There are so many people with a negative scary rate its scary. I liked things a century ago where if you didn’t have the money you didnt buy it. Plain and simple. Too bad this concept is completely lost in most of today’s consumers. The buy now pay later fiasco is a modern day scam! But things are not going to change so stocks like Visa will continue to rake it in!

  56. Hi DM,

    Definitely an interesting post; I wonder how what percentage of the population is contributing a negative saving rate by living beyond their means on credit?

    Looking forward to reading your end of month progress on your FI journey!

    Best wishes!
    -DL

  57. j-harr,

    Yeah, they had a rough quarter due to some options and some capex in regards to expanding operations out west. But I think they have a really bright future. It’s a risky play considering their size, and I’m not sure how the dividend plays out. But I do like the long-term prospects. 🙂

    Best regards.

  58. A-G,

    I don’t personally mind cheap credit, but it’s a shame that more people can’t control themselves. I think it’s just human nature. There’s so much evidence out there that shows happiness comes from covering basic needs, family, friendship, freedom, love, etc. Yet, the chase for sports cars and luxury clothing continues. No problem if you can afford that stuff, but more often then not people can’t afford what they’re buying. It’s a shame.

    Thanks for stopping by!

    Cheers.

  59. DL,

    That would be an interesting statistic. I remember reading a while ago that somewhere around 50% of the US population pays no income tax or receive refunds. Pretty amazing.

    Thanks for stopping by! Hope all is well over there. 🙂

    Take care.

  60. Kelvin,

    Hey, thanks for your readership! And I appreciate you taking the time to comment today. 🙂

    I hear you on the family aspect. As someone who’s now around an infant every single day I have no doubts that additional costs are incurred. However, it’s been really great for my sister. Most of the “start up” costs regarding a crib, initial clothing, supplies, swing, car seat, etc. were supplied by family, hand-me-downs, and a couple of baby showers. But there are certainly ongoing costs for the next 18+ years.

    But I really think, like anything else, a child can be as expensive as you want it to be. You can really range the spectrum. I don’t plan on having any children, but if I did I would certainly aim to save money wherever I could and stress spending time with them over money.

    And there’s nothing wrong with splurging every once in a while. As long as you realize it’s a splurge, a good time, and then it’s back on the horse. I certainly do my fair share of splurging on a fairly regular basis. I’m actually visiting my sister this weekend on the west side of the state and she wants to go to an expensive steakhouse on Saturday night. No problem. But that’s no problem because it’s a splurge, and something I don’t do often. Therefore, the money is there and it is a special event which I’ll enjoy even more. Going to steakhouses every night, on the other hand, wouldn’t only be expensive, but wouldn’t be very special.

    Best wishes!

  61. Hey Jason,

    Cool post! I’ve been reading every bit of content I can off of your website because I have a great amount of interest in changing my financial destiny through investments in long-term high-growth dividends. I have been busy prepping myself for the day when I could start investing. I’ve found a roommate to cut my living expenses, purchased a bicycle (and started to use it) to make my 22-mile commute to work and save tons on gas. Also, I’ve put my auto lease on leasetrader in the hopes that I can put that monthly lease payment towards investments.. Needless to say, I’m excited and ready!

    I’m actually planning on going with Scottrade only because I don’t have any reason not to and you use them, plus they have a branch next to my house and next to my office so that works out really well. Is there any way I could use you as a reference to get you free trades or some other type of perk for “referring” me? I feel it is the least I could do since I am learning most of everything I’m learning about investing from what I’ve read on your site or from the sites/books you recommend. Other than that, I look forward to the continued updates to your website and your take on all things finance related!

  62. Engin,

    That’s fantastic work over there. I admire that you’re able to do the 22-mile commute on your bike. That’s really awesome. I only lived about 7-8 miles away from work in Florida, but the heat just made it impossible to show up to work without being sweaty. But my 49cc scooter did the trick when I wasn’t riding the bus.

    The moves you’re making here will surely pay dividends, figuratively and literally, very soon. 🙂

    As far as Scottrade goes, I recommend them. Great customer service, and I love the ease of accessing real branches. And the $7 is reasonable.

    If you email me I can give you a referral code with will give us both three free trades.

    [email protected].

    Keep up the great work!

    Best regards.

  63. Indeed, wants are insatiable. It’s all about understanding that predicament.

    We’re definitely not treading water like every other American. Those days are so far behind us right now I can’t even imagine what it must’ve been like. I mean, I can, but I just can’t imagine going back to that state.

    It’s possible that my wife and I will be treading water in another sense. In the first few years we will be pushing the limits of our passive income. Then we will get our frugal muscles in great shape and return to a positive savings rate. It won’t be anywhere near as high as our current savings rate, but it will be more than enough to give us a huge margin of safety.

    We only have two weeks left! I’ll be picking your brain hard one of these days when I get a blog up and running =).

  64. I really like that idea of a baseline happiness, I always thought a similar thing. Your body just has certain chemical levels that keep it going back to homeostasis. That homeostasis varies from person to person, but as long as your basic needs are met such as food, shelter, and security you always end back at your baseline.

    I don’t think that things will ever make people happier in a lasting way, but I do think that the relationships in your life are the true ways to help push your happiness levels higher in a lasting way. Great article.

    -Zee

  65. I’ve found the ROI to be excellent, personally. Bus fare here was £20 a week, £1000 a year.

    Small motorbike was £700, £100 registration costs etc, £100 insurance, £200 equipment, £5 a week gas.
    A £750 saving per year, has paid for itself in just over a year plus the added bonus of convenience and reliability (The buses here are very unreliable!).

  66. Jason,
    I really enjoyed this post. Im only a little over a year practicing saving and investing half or more of my income and I’m continually amazed at the changes.
    My boss just told me he is putting me in for a seven thousand dollar a year raise. My co-workers are telling me I can finally afford to get my own place instead of renting a room. They all think Im crazy now for my frugal ways. Any tips for answers to ,What if you die next year and leave all that money behind? P.S. No lifestyle inflation with the raise, I am going to keep collecting snow and rolling the snowball.

  67. Hi again, diego from argentine
    the question here is how is your plan for your portfolio for a crisis.
    im a valu investor and i think your investment aproach is correct but we have to think which is the impact on a crisis that the entire world see every 10 yeRs or so in xxi century

    so i timing my income portfolio with 10 month moving average. And i looking 52 week low super stock to buy them like wiley sugest in his book
    do youhave an strategy for the crisis moments.?
    Its obvious that in crisis moments the companies not always continue to pay dividends
    by from argentine and wait your comments

  68. Jason,
    I am currently saving 80% or so of my income as all the bills come out of my partners wages ,mostly cash but i am getting more involved in the dividend paying shares, great post and i look forward to reading your posts and watching your recent buys and seeing you get nearer to your ultimate goals.

  69. I like the idea of positive reinforcement, whether it be a newbie to savings & investments or someone like myself who has taken early retirement and enjoying life. There is something to take out of every article in my opinion, and not everything that works for you fits my life, but that’s where the reader has to fill in some blanks too. As I have discussed with you in the past, moving to Puerto Vallarta from Canada was an exciting experience but you have to accept that things you take for granted in one country is a luxury in another. I find frugality in a sense, becomes part of your life here, where I would never have considered it before. I walk everywhere here, where I would have always had a vehicle back home. Because the beach is a few blocks away, I find I spend more time there for free where as I would have gone to a Blue Jays game and dropped $100 on tickets, popcorn, beer & parking. You see things different when not everything has to have a pricetag. Now your frugality is at another level than I or most of your readers would consider, but I think we always like a little window into other people’s lives. It is people watching, which we all enjoy, but in print. So you look at articles you write, as well as others and what you should get out of it is simply food for thought for some, and possible a blueprint to saving and investing for others. I like your investing style, much more than the extreme frugality angle, so that is what I take out of it, and appreciate very much. Whether in PV or up in Toronto as I am presently, I enjoy the read & the comments.

  70. One of my biggest fear is that we have a MAJOR retirement crisis coming with pensions going away, lousy savings rates, socialistic attitudes from the handout seekers, ballooning gov’t debt and social security teetering on viability. I’m worried they are going to go after the savers in some shape or form to “rectify” the problem. I hope i’m wrong but there are all these frugal people with *gasp* money in the bank or 401k just ready to be taxed!

    It’s strange but as i see the pile of money grow i have this irrational urge to sit on top of it and guard it with a shotgun.

    I can’t wait to move out of New England and into a state that doesn’t tax you to death. Why people with jobs making <50k a year stay in this area i'll never understand. One could live comparably like a king in about 40 other states. I keep telling myself, it could be worse it could be California =P

  71. Spoonman,

    I’m with you. I couldn’t imagine wanting to go back to a dark and scary time where I had no sizable savings to speak of and no plan for the future. I love living for today, but it’s so much EASIER to live for today when you don’t have to worry about tomorrow. <-- An upcoming blog post. You guys are on the homestretch now! Very exciting times. And I'll be happy to help if you need any assistance with getting a blog up and running. 🙂 Thanks for stopping by. Cheers!

  72. Zee,

    After reading a few psychological studies this baseline happiness level must be true. It’s why most people who go to prison eventually adapt and end up just like they were before. Or why most lottery winners eventually adapt to their new life of luxury. I’m sure there’s some outcasts, but that’s generally how it works.

    And I couldn’t agree more that lasting, wonderful relationships are a foundation for happiness. It might sound cheesy, but that’s one reason I really enjoy being part of this community!

    Best wishes.

  73. Henry,

    Ha! I don’t know about all that. But I hope to eventually make my way past the beach, onto dry land to see what true freedom looks like. 🙂

    You’re right there with me!

    Take care.

  74. Kevin,

    Congrats on the news. Hopefully you get that raise. Every extra dollar is one more dollar to freedom. 🙂

    As far as dying next year, I’d rather worry about the 99% chance that you WON’T die next year. As far as no lifestyle inflation, what could possibly inflate your lifestyle more than owning your own time??

    Best of luck!

    Cheers.

  75. Jason, I like your articles. How about an article that deals with dividend investing and how parents can utilize this investment approach to cash flow college for their kids. After the kids are out of school, the cash flow will go right to retirement income.

    A decade ago, we started living on 50% of our income. We paid off all debt and invested. Today we are cash flowing college with the dividends and continuing to invest half of our income. The key is that the principle is not taking a hit during this distributions for college. At age 53, the dividends plus my pension will be more than my current salary. The upside is my retirement is in place before my kids got to college age. All accomplished on the income of two teachers salaries.

    My kids are actively participating in this process and understand the value of being debt free out of college. I was like you and left home after high school and paid for college on my own. It is not easy.

    Oh, my car is 18 years old (Toyota Corrolla). A squirrel totaled my 20 year old truck last year (ate the wire harness). I walk to work and will buy myself a new truck once my kids are through college. The depreciation and cost of cars is something that affects long term investing more than folks realize.

  76. Diego,

    Crisis moments simply provide more opportunity for a value investor. If you can find attractive stocks at $X (which I’ve been doing lately), then $X – 20% will surely mean your current capital goes even further. It’s important to look at income generation, not value of the stocks. The value of my holdings matter little or not at all unless I plan to sell, which I don’t.

    I wrote a little about this subject here:

    https://www.dividendmantra.com/2014/06/why-investing-new-capital-during-all-time-market-highs-doesnt-scare-me/

    Best of luck! 🙂

    Cheers.

  77. Daren,

    Awesome job there!! I’m not sure how that works out as a couple for you guys, but that’s a very solid rate for one income, nonetheless.

    However you decide to eventually invest your capital, just make sure it works for you and your goals. Make sure you’re comfortable and can sleep at night. 🙂

    Keep up the great work.

    Best wishes!

  78. Brian,

    That’s a great perspective there.

    I think it’s all about your lifestyle. One could easily adapt to earning $1 million per year, and one can easily adapt to making $20,000 per year. How you react to that is really all about who YOU are, and how happy you may or may not be inside of yourself. Expecting money to fulfill you and fill some kind of void is really just the wrong approach to life.

    Glad you have found your balance, because we all must find our individual balances. 🙂

    Best regards.

  79. Kevin, stay renting a room if you like your situation. Invest your raise and let it grow. As time goes by, things change and you will be glad you put the capital into something that appreciates. It will give you financial latitude.

  80. Zol,

    I hear you on taxation. That was a reason I moved away from Michigan back in 2009. It wasn’t the only or even primary reason, but it was a reason. However, our state income tax is a little above 4%. I’d hate to live in some NE states that tax twice that level. Yikes!

    However, claiming financial independence at an early age by living frugally and earning most of your income via dividends means, no matter where you live, your exposure to taxes will probably be pretty small.

    Cheers!

  81. Brad,

    That’s a good idea for an article. I had no such help, and had to take out loans to fund my education. But that’s great that some parents save that money from an early age for their children. I’ll try to put something together. 🙂

    Congrats for taking your financial future so seriously ten years ago. The you of today is surely thanking the you of back then. 🙂

    And I hear you on the car. I don’t even want to own my 2006 Corolla that I bought for a steal simply because, even factoring out depreciation for the cheap price, gas, insurance, repairs, and maintenance all add up more than people think. I’d love to be in a situation where I get around by bus and scooter again, but it’s much more difficult up here in Michigan. We are the old epicenter of auto manufacturing, after all. But don’t count me out just yet!

    Thanks for stopping by.

    Best wishes.

  82. On using public transport to save money; I don’t know about the US, but at least here in Finland you cannot do that. Public transport is expensive as hell compared to driving your own car. Sure, if you want to buy a new car every year then it will be more expensive than public transport, but if you’re willing to use a 8-to-10-year-old modest car then you’re much better off using that than using public transport.
    (Also, if you start to calculate how much capital your car ties up, and how much potential income you lose because of that, you might end up thinking that owning a car is expensive, but I don’t think you should apply that to something you use every day.)

  83. That’s a big reason I love this community too, there is a lot more support from it than I ever imagined. I find myself more motivated than ever in other aspects of my life now and I think a lot of it has to do with the support from this community.

  84. Another awesome post, Jason! 5% savings rate?? That’s downright scary. I’ve saved 30% of my net earning for the first of half 2014 and I’d feel much more comfortable if that number was closer to the 45-50% range. Saving 5% of my earnings would never have allowed me to quit my job. I’m looking forward to locking in my next gig and bumping up my savings rate even higher.

  85. What a great post. For a few years out of college, I was treading water and just living pay check to pay check and didn’t see anything wrong with it. If I wanted something, I got it because I “deserved” it and I wanted to treat myself. Now, in the past two years, I have gotten very serious about getting my finances in check. I wish I could say that I was saving that much of my income, but I’m working towards saving more. And for me, that is progress.

  86. And there is a paradox: in the developed world people spend a lot of money for food then become ill and spend a lot of money for medical costs. They waste money doubly. Not speak of tobacco, alcohol, drugs. But You can be healthy and spare money at the same time. Save, invest wisely and stay fit! And read Dividend Mantra!:)

  87. A great mix of tough love, instruction and inspiration. You should be a writer. Thanks Jason!

  88. DM,

    I would much rather be on the safe side and save more then enough money to ensure a quality lasting retirement then retire and then come up short right before ready to retire or not have enough and have to reenter the workforce in future years. I am not afraid of working hard, but the way a lot of employees who actually do good work are being treated are getting worse not better. It is important to not have to rely on a job that can be gone so fast and for most who are saving sub 5% that wipes out their entire financial life and dries up all their income.

    Great post!

  89. Jason, I’ve read and commented fairly regularly, so hopefully you recognize that I’m not trolling like some of the above comments. Your devotion, sacrifice, and willingness to publicly share your experiences are indeed admirable. The big “issue” I have is that you are living a fairly minimalist/monastic existence in order to meet the goal of retiring by 40 and living off of the income — what you call “freedom” or “independence” — but how free or independent are you if you live the remainder of your life in the same manner? I don’t think riding public transit, renting a room from a relative, eating lean pockets, or living in an impoverished country would meet very many Americans’ definition of “free” or “independent.” Sure, you’re still living in a first world country (unless you move to a third world country), but you’re sort of just surviving, not thriving. I’m not incredibly materialistic, but there’s an amazing freedom in knowing that you can treat yourself to a vacation, nice dinner, concert, bottle of whiskey and it won’t throw off your retirement plans by 1 month, 3 months, or a year. Having the mental burden of constantly worrying if you’re spending too much money on *whatever* is exhausting, and I would much rather work a few extra years so I can actually enjoy retirement rather than just being able to get by without having to work.
    All of this ignores that it would only take one accident or other health-related problem to completely wipe out your entire plan. God forbid you were to have a freak accident (hit by a drunk driver, car wreck while someone else is driving, whatever) or have to be admitted to the hospital for some curable disease, do you have a contingency? What if you’re 50 and your entire “snowball” gets depleted by whatever the malady was? You start from scratch again?
    Thanks. Just curious what your thoughts are. Good luck

  90. I understand your point of view and agree with some of it. One thing you mention that makes me think how nice it will be once the dividends can cover every-day expenses is an accident. I don’t have disability insurance. I know I should. But I never got it. If I was in a car accident and couldn’t work for several months, I could still pay my regular bills from dividends and not have to worry. I love my job and have no plan on retiring any time soon. But while I’m working it’s fun to see just how much I can save. I also splurge when something is important to me. I think that if/when Jason finds something to splurge on, he will. And that will make for a really interesting post for us to read.

  91. Jason,

    Until recently, I was spending all my money without counting because I thought that after working hard all week I deserved to treat me a little… I couldn’t see how I could reach early retirements with bonds yielding 2-3%, buying and selling fluctuating stocks all the time or crapy mutual funds yielding not more than 2-3%… And you know what? Spending all my money and even accumulating debts did not make me happier. It in fact made me more desperate and stressed… I knew that there had to be something I could do to change my life… It took me long to find my way but trust me, it feels so good to see my improvements, even if it takes time, even if my forward dividend income for this year might be less than a 1000$, I feel better, I feel safer, I now know that there will be an end to the rat race if I can stay focused.

    Dividend growth investing, saving more, spending less… It’s a good plan, I’d say its even a great plan and even though I’d sometimes want to bite myself for not having started years ago, I still feel blessed that I’m still young enough to dream about early retirement!

    Keep writing posts like that, that’s what makes your blog different and authentic!

  92. Thank you so much Jason to remind me of these truths that nobody wants to see. Thanks also for the great link to wikipedia (Hedonic Treadmill). I remember reading from Michael Schumacher who said he had so much waited to be able to afford a Ferrari ( not the F1, but a simple road version ) that once driving it, he felt it was not the same thing as he had figured out in his head. One wise man told me once: It’s All In Your Head ! Even Warren Buffett told so many times his mother, not to set her scorecard based on what other people thought of her.

    Great post ! Freedom, even a shabby one in its first stage is way better than Slavery.

    Cheers !

  93. Great writing and subject! I also liked your linkedreference to the” hedonic treadmill”, a new term for me and easy to relate too it’s meaning. I liked the statememt there….”Happiness seems to be more like a thermostat, since our temperaments tend to bring us back towards a certain happiness level (a tendency influenced by carefully chosen activities and habits)”.
    I agree and feel that when we are not careful in matching our activities and habits with our own principles and values that we consciously or unconsciously sabotage our own happiness.
    Jason, what i perceive about your writings and expressions are that it’s the spiritual values and principles we develop that form a foundation for our happiness. I totally resonate with that!
    Thanks for the great article and sharing……very encouraging 🙂
    C

  94. I wouldn’t say that we’re on the beach yet but we’re definitely near the shore. Just a bit more budgeting and planning and we’ get there. Hope you have a great weekend!

  95. Teppo,

    That sucks that public transportation isn’t as cost effective over there. Here in the US, it depends somewhat on where you live. I’ve never been to New York, but I understand the subway can be somewhat expensive there.

    Most of the cities I’ve been to and lived in generally charge ~$50/month for unlimited bus usage. So that’s obviously quite a bit cheaper than owning your own car. Throw a bike into the mix and the savings can be pretty immense while still being able to cover a lot of ground. It’s difficult, however, here in Michigan because everything is so spread out. We don’t have highways named after auto manufacturers (like Chrysler Freeway) for nothing. 🙂

    Best regards.

  96. Addison,

    I’m with you. 5% is pretty crazy. Although, I was registering a negative savings rate there back in my early 20s. Looking back on it, it’s amazing that I didn’t have trouble sleeping with night sweats!

    I hope you’re able to nail a great job here soon and really kill the savings rate! And I hope even more so that it’s something you enjoy. 🙂

    Thanks for stopping by.

    Cheers!

  97. Michelle,

    Thank you so much. Glad you enjoyed it! 🙂

    What could you “deserve” more than owning all of your own time? Than freedom? Than the ability to pursue your passions without care of cost.

    Glad you flipped the script and you’re progressing along. Keep up the great work!

    Take care.

  98. Gregory,

    Thank you so much. Really appreciate the kind words.

    I couldn’t agree more. The wonderful thing about financial independence is that you can focus on YOU. Your fitness, your stress levels, your passions, your relationships. Once you no longer have to stress about money you can just be you. The fun part is figuring out exactly who you are and what you enjoy. 🙂

    Stay in touch!

    Take care.

  99. SWAN,

    It’s always good to have a margin of safety. It would indeed suck to be retired for five years and then have to slog off to work again. That would not be fun. However, one would have to think the passive income is going to rise faster than one’s expenses, building a larger and larger margin all the time. 🙂

    Appreciate you stopping by!

    Best regards.

  100. Bruce D.,

    I seem to remember going around these points with you a couple of other times now, and after searching my comments I was correct. But I’ll do my best to reinforce my perspective again.

    First, I don’t eat lean pockets. Not that there’s anything really wrong with them, but I just don’t eat them. And I don’t plan on renting a room from my sister forever. I would think since you stop by and comment often enough you would know that. My stay with my sister is temporary until I can figure out where I want to live. I think moving halfway across the country and staying with family for a short period of time is reasonable, even if you’re not interested in living frugally. Furthermore, my sister needs help around the house since she’s spending a lot of time with a newborn now. And the money I’m paying her for rent certainly helps while she’s off work. It should also be noted that the money I’m paying in rent is fair market rate for a town where SFHs go for $45k and one bedroom apartments rent from $350-$450.

    As far as splurging goes, that’s a pretty vague word that means something different to different people. There’s a wide spectrum there. Some people might think splurging is eating out once per month. Others think they’re splurging if they upgrade from a used Range Rover to a new one.

    But I’ve never insisted that people shouldn’t splurge once in a while. Rather, I only recommend that you find value in whatever it is you’re spending money on. I went to a Tigers game for the 4th of July with family, and although I spent a lot of money it was a great time. I found a lot of value there. Now, if I were to go to Tigers games every weekend the value would decrease commensurately with every game I go to. Just like a job seems exciting for the first week or two and becomes a grind after the first year, “splurging” loses its value if you’re doing it all the time. That’s the hedonic treadmill I was referencing in the article.

    I’m talking about a lifestyle here. A mindset. A mindset where you find value in the small things in life. I happen to enjoy going for a walk on a nice day, spending time at the library with a new book, writing, exercising, eating good food, watching a great movie, going to the beach, etc. Most of the things I enjoy don’t cost a lot of money. If what you enjoy is vacations, nice dinners out, concerts, and bottles of whiskeys, then you simply have to find your balance. As I wrote in the article I don’t think frugality or aiming for financial independence is a lifestyle everyone should or needs to embrace. And everyone has a different perspective on life, and how frugal they’re willing to be. There’s other bloggers out there that are hardcore and insist everyone should live this way. I simply don’t believe in that. If you want your concerts and whiskey then go out and buy it. Just remember that there are benefits and drawbacks to everything in life. And the money you spend on these things is money no longer working for you.

    And as far as a medical catastrophe goes, that’s why I have health insurance. And that’s exactly why this strategy is so effective. Whereas other people face bankruptcy due to medical issues because they’re out of work for long periods of time and can’t cover deductibles, having dividend income roll into your account regularly sure makes it easy to go without a job. And if I’m 50 I likely would have already been FI for a decade, and my dividend income will probably be well over $25,000 per year. Which therefore means I have hundreds of thousands of dollars worth of assets under my control. I’ve written about this before extensively, but I would feel much sorrier for someone who works for a living and has only saved 5% all their life, and all of the sudden has to face a medical disaster, than someone who’s financially independent, has hundreds of thousands of dollars in assets, and is collecting thousands of dollars per month in passive dividend income.

    Cheers!

  101. SR,

    Great points. How someone could think someone who’s aiming for FI is somehow LESS prepared for a disaster than someone who “splurges” and works for a living is beyond my comprehension.

    However, speaking of splurging I actually spent all day in Grand Rapids, Michigan today. I met up with Kipp, a fellow blogger over lunch. And then I spent all day walking the city, eating food, taking pictures, and reading at the library downtown. What a great day! And it didn’t even really cost that much. The joys of having a flexible schedule and the perspective where it’s easy to enjoy a beautiful day goes a long way! 🙂

    Best regards.

  102. Allan,

    Thanks for stopping by!

    I’m with you. See, I’ve lived both sides of the coin. I used to spend all of my money on everything I wanted, but I really wasn’t happy. And that’s because I had no freedom or control over my destiny. Stuff doesn’t provide happiness. This has already been proven true by psychological studies. The fact that people still argue it and insist on spending money on useless trinkets is humorous to me, but, again, I feel no ill will toward those that do. I say ‘live and let live’. I encourage everyone to find their happiness and balance in life. I simply try to provide inspiration to those that think they’re on the right track, only to find out that they’re miserable.

    Appreciate the support very much! 🙂

    Best wishes.

  103. Aspenhawk,

    “Freedom, even a shabby one in its first stage is way better than Slavery.”

    I couldn’t have said it any better myself. Great quote right there!

    The crazy thing is that freedom, especially in first world countries, isn’t even that hard to attain.

    Thanks for dropping the wisdom!

    Best regards.

  104. late bloomer,

    Thank you for the very supportive and kind comment. Truly appreciate it.

    And the hedonic treadmill is backed by research, so it’s really interesting. It would be easy if money bought happiness, because then it’s simply a matter of accumulating as much as possible. But it’s just not that way.

    However, it’s comical because people know that deep down inside. Yet they continue to act counterintuitively by chasing money and the stuff it buys. I simply try to provide some reason. 🙂

    I believe happiness truly comes from within. Certainly external factors like relationships, love, freedom, support, and having your basic needs satisfied all factor into that. But being satisfied when your thermostat is maxed out rather than seeking more and more is really up to you.

    Thanks for adding that great perspective.

    Best wishes.

  105. Nicola,

    I’ll be waiting for you with a cold beverage! 🙂

    Then it’s off the beach and exploring the rest of the world once we’re truly free.

    My weekend is off to a great start. Spent all day doing some urban exploring and taking pictures for an upcoming blog post. I hope you’re having a great weekend too!

    Take care.

  106. Jason,

    Great response to bib! Hopefully you don’t get too many trolls like that … and if you do, hopefully you are able to block future comments from them.

    Jake

  107. Dear Jason, I just got final dividend income figures for July, $1005 vs $674 in July 2013. July is a ver slow dividend month for me but I’m digging the percentage increase! Can’t wit to see how u did!

  108. Ive had months of just treading water. It always seems to come at the worst times and always when an unexpected expense comes up. I don’t think I will ever be able to fully relax financially until I retire

  109. Not all the way to shore yet, but every once in a while I feel the sand hit my feet as I am paddling as hard as I can for the shore. I know I am close.
    When I arrive make sure they have my Mojito ready !
    Pay day has taken on such a greater meaning for me in the last few years since focusing on my DGI objectives. It is no longer ‘oh..thats what I get for all the work I put in’ and has turned into “..oh yea, excellent. That will increase my monthly income once invested by 18 dollars.” haha.
    Completely looking forward to the day I make landfall. As a United States Marine, [out for 2 years now] we are all about objectives and making it to shore, absolutely nothing is going to stop my progress.

  110. Jake,

    I try to keep this a site where no moderation is made. I’ve never deleted a comment, but at the same time I don’t want to get bogged down in discussions that really add no value to the site or topic at hand. In the future I’ll have to consider just deleting comments like that as I’m truly just uninterested in responding, and too busy anyhow.

    Appreciate the support!

    Best wishes.

  111. DD,

    That’s a fantastic month! Very, very impressive numbers.

    I’m not going to be anywhere near that for July. Looks like I’ll be a little over $300, which is a tremendous improvement YOY.

    Keep up the great work over there!

    Best regards.

  112. Dan,

    Unexpected expenses occur for all of us. The only thing you can really do is prepare the best you can. Can’t prevent a storm, but you can batten down the hatches. 🙂

    Cheers!

  113. Anonymous,

    Ahh, vintage stuff right there! Haha. 🙂

    Thanks for sharing that. I have fond memories of that interview and the time I spent hanging out with Kraig. Always great to spend time with like-minded people.

    Best regards.

  114. Yet another inspiring post. Someone criticized you for being a little repetitive but I honestly don’t care if you are sometimes. I find this blog inspiring. A lot of mainstream magazines are repetitive as well and frankly many mainstream articles these days are rather cynical as if the entire world and our future is hopeless and that gets tiring. And you’re right in your assumption that readers don’t want to see articles of how to save $50/month, I definitely don’t. I get that kind of advice from many other blogs and books.

    Anyway, I too agree of taking charge of one’s life, I used to not save because I didn’t think I “made enough” but I learned the hard way that little expenses add up and no matter what my pay is to save something, no matter how small it is. Ex: There were times where I could only save $10/week so I would save what I could. Little savings eventually add up to big savings.

  115. Matthew,

    Ha! I’ll definitely have that Mojito ready! Fresh mint and all. 🙂

    I totally hear you on payday taking on a whole new meaning. Whereas for me it used to be “What bills is this going to?”, it became “Sweet! I already know which stocks I’m buying now.” Funny how that mindset changes when you focus on buying time rather than stuff.

    I think I can speak for everyone when I say we appreciate your service. Keep up the great work. Once you make it to shore you just have to get your legs under you and make a little further up land to explore what real freedom looks like!

    Take care.

  116. Lila,

    Thanks for that! I appreciate the support. I honestly don’t attempt to repeat myself, but we operate in a niche area of finance where we’re all trying to reach the upper echelon. It’s like a pyramid, where you have all sorts of information and help down at the bottom. There’s the credit card offers, stop buying coffee, and cut HBO from your cable subscription stuff down there. Once you reach the top of the pyramid where you’re well past all that there’s only so much advanced information to go around. So it’s basically just a matter of applying all that knowledge to the everyday journey of marching toward financial independence. My aim from there is simply to keep my head up, my feet moving forward, and inspire others in the process. That’s really the best way I can sum it up. 🙂

    Little savings do indeed add up over time. I wrote an article a while ago applying that logic to dividends. It may not seem like a $0.20 dividend will do anything for you until you’re receiving hundreds upon hundreds of dollars in dividend income every month. I still remember the laughs I would get when I’d tell people about my goal, my early dividend income, and what I was doing. Nobody’s laughing anymore.

    Thanks for stopping by!

    Best wishes.

  117. Bruce D.,

    I really want you to read this story of a family of four living comfortably on $14,000/year.

    http://www.today.com/money/see-how-frugal-family-four-lives-comfortably-14k-year-1C8768007

    In another interview the husband states: “Most people just want to know how do you live like that? And it’s a hard question, like how do you do what you do? I don’t understand spending all your money on stuff that I don’t think is important,” he said.

    http://www.8newsnow.com/story/22196019/henderson-family-makes-ends-meet-on-14k-a-year

    May I also suggest that you read http://www.themins.com blog?

    It’s a blog by two friends who used to make six figure salaries, had many materialistic things, and yet they still weren’t happy. In fact they were depressed. These friends got out of debt, left their six figure jobs in the corporate world, and now they blog, write books, and give speeches for a living. They actually love living with less and being minimalists and they don’t think they’re being deprived.

    Minimalism means different things to different minimalists. For some living with 100 things is fine, for others living with “enough” stuff is fine even if it’s more than 100, as long as it doesn’t go into over-consumption. I have learned that minimalism can mean different things to each minimalist, but the goal is to achieve happiness as minimalists without feeling deprived.

    I also encourage you to read http://www.legalnomads.com it’s a blog by a former lawyer who left the law and now lives in Asia, she also blogs, writes, and freelances for a living. This man walked away from his corporate job and saved up $24,000 while travelling. http://finance.yahoo.com/news/how-i-saved–24-000-while-traveling-the-world-172416894.html

    This former hedge-fund trader walked away from his job on Wall Street. http://nyti.ms/1cGibh1

    Money is not bad, there is nothing wrong with earning it, spending it and enjoying it. Money is just a tool. It is not evil. In fact many wealthy people use their money for the greater good and they do amazing things with their charities. Like this: http://blogs.wsj.com/wealth/2012/02/09/the-most-generous-rich-people-youve-never-heard-of/

    However these examples that I gave here, show that corporate life is not for everyone. In fact it made these people very unhappy and some people are happy making less and spending less. This doesn’t make them evil or
    Un-American or unhappy or socialists. Different strokes for different folks.

    Should some misfortune happen which I hope it doesn’t, I think Jason has the kind of lifestyle that he can live at regardless of his income level, the things that he enjoys because of his innate nature are affordable things. You don’t have to earn six figures to do the activities that he likes which I think works out nicely for him.

  118. Interesting idea around just treading water DM. I’ve been feeling this way recently more towards my career than my savings and investing habits. I’m fortunate enough to be making a decent salary, and have potential for it to grow, but feel I’ve been ‘treading water’ for the past 12 months, focusing my energy instead on whether I’m doing the right work, or how I can cut back on expenses. I think treading water for a little while isn’t so bad (better than sinking after all!), but at some point you’ve got to start swimming hard again towards what’s important to you – in all areas of your life.

    Having a portfolio of investments to start with also helps avoid the feeling of treading water to some degree – even if you’re not adding much to it, hopefully it’s still doing some swimming of its own in the right direction 🙂

  119. Wow an average savings rate of 5% in the US . That is pretty depressing. In belgium the average numbers is around 16%. But I know that most people of my age can’t save a single EUR when they start to live on their own. Buying the newest Iphone and the biggest tv seems so much more important to them… Recently I saw an article that 40% of the Walloons ( French speaking Belgians) couldn’t carry an unexpected cost of 1000 EUR.

    I consider myself lucky that I started very early with saving and investing. I’m sure the 40 year old me will have an easy live because of this. And the best of all I’m enjoying the ride to FI :).

    Have a good weekend Jason 🙂

  120. Great post and nice beach analogy!

    I have only started swimming for a short while, I’ve always loved the exercise. Embrace the water, submerge and dive for the sand below. There are flows within the water that can get you to shore faster. I have come to embrace saving, investing and maximizing my income as I grow in my career, as well as embrace capitalism. There are still many chapters to go, perhaps some entrepreneurial jetskis along the way that could really propel me further forward faster. It does take discipline, drive, focus, patience and a strong sense of vision.

    Reading how you spent the day walking around taking pictures, visiting the library and having complete control over a good 90% of your time is inspiring.

    In regards to variations of topics, one of the topics I tend to enjoy a lot from other bloggers are their exercises in forward projections. Tables and graphs that show the compounding, but not necessarily for a single stock, but more for various portfolios. I like this a lot because this shows how various saved amounts grow over time. How does investing $300 per month compare to $3000 per month – sure it’s a factor of ten, but what does that mean in real life terms and value of buying products/services. I may be able to save a good portion now, but that may not last in the future. Or indeed I might want to have a kid, how much could that impact savings?

    I find those projections really help to change my thinking. Most humans think in linear terms, not logarithmic compounding terms. And even though I understand the math, the reality of the speed at which compounding can happen continues to amaze me. I started with a basic projection, but that projection grows more complex to take potential future scenarios into account. Positive scenarios, such as a raise at work, or higher than expected dividend growth from stocks, or a side project that turned out very lucrative, but also financially costlier scenarios (even though as life experiences some of these could be great), such as marriage, kids, accidents, disability, divorce (this one actually scares me a lot as the divorce rate in the US is quite high and the costs of a divorce are really high too, and it can cost you 50% of your assets, with a potential alimony cost in perpetuity… Is it just me, or from a financial point of view marriage is quite an insane proposition? – watch a documentary called ‘Divorce corp’ if you are curious).

    Sometimes I feel the US is a great place to live and make a good living, but the road towards the top of the hill beyond the beach is littered with land mines. Boom, you stepped on the high student loan Ivy League college and now carry a debt burden for the next ten years. Boom, you bought a house at the height of the housing bubble. Boom, you stepped on an accident and you are in for filling for bankruptcy because of medical costs. Boom, you stepped on the wrong partner (bussiness or otherwise) and are getting divorced or sued – and the lawyers will keep going until you don’t have any money left. Boom, you fell for a scam and somebody stole your online identity and ruined your credit. Boom, one of your investments has an oil spill and plummets. Boom, you get robbed, stabbed or shot and potentially die.

    Of course some of these can be remedied or insured or protected against in some way, I just don’t think these are events that happen to 1% of the population. Most likely some of these have happened to some of the readers here. So far I have avoided all of those mines and hope to continue to do so, but man, you got to be careful as it doesn’t take much to hit a tripwire. I actually have a fairly optimistic attitude towards life and finance, but it doesn’t hurt to also be a realist and dodge the bullets. So you could write about that too :).

  121. Your patience is truly something extraordinary. Though one poster further above actually got you of balance. Nice to see you’re actually human 🙂

  122. Jason:
    My wife and I are among the fortunate that have DB pensions. No doubt, that takes up a lot of slack when it comes to the size of one’s 401K. I agree though that the majority of workers out there no longer have access to DB pensions. I was lucky. I began my current job in 1992, with a pension. Anyone hired after 1994 was forced into a 401K. My employer offered me the “opportunity” to switch to the 401K plan. Thought about it for 5 seconds and declined. I still kicked in to my 401K, but sans matching funds.

    I share your concern about people’s retirement in general. If the majority of people don’t have pensions, and the average 401k is at $165,000, that’s a problem. That’s not going to go very far at all without other sources of income.

    I would estimate that over the last few decades, my DW and I have saved between 10 and 15% of our income. It seemed like a lot of money in the early years. In retrospect, we should have been more disciplined and bumped that up to 20% or more. We should be just fine on the income front, but I still find myself wishing we had put more away. Rather than just be “comfortable”, we likely would be “really” comfortable. I’m not complaining, because I feel blessed overall. Still, it’s hard not to think of “what if”.

    I hope a lot of younger people read your blog on a regular basis. Even if they don’t want to retire at 40, they can learn a lot by following your examples. Good article.

  123. Lila, thanks for trying to “educate” me. I feel the need to emphasize that I am not picking on Jason for his lifestyle, nor his mindset. In fact, I agree with most of what he says/does (though I still think he’s nuts for not enjoying a slow cooked roast with potatoes and carrots!), or I wouldn’t regularly read his blog for inspiration and discussion.
    To wit: my wife and I are close to saving 50% of our income, which factors in 401k contributions, Roth contributions, SEP contributions, and paying extra every month toward my somewhat arduous student loans. My wife also is what I would call a “recovering” extreme couponer; she still regularly gets all sorts of useful health care products and food for free or almost free. Most of my friends call me cheap. I lived “the student lifestyle” for 8 years, and I got really creative with being able to make healthy and nutritious meals from things like rice, beans, eggs, tuna, oatmeal, and ramen noodles. Again, I fully embrace what he’s trying to do.
    Sacrificing now to enjoy a better life later is a noble mission — there’s a payoff, a carrot on the stick, a light at the end of the tunnel. On the flip-side, sacrificing and living minimalist now, only to live minimalist later in life doesn’t seem provide much of a payoff. It’s analogous to a founder spending 80 hours a week or more for the first couple years in order to build a fairly self-sustaining business; if were never able to decrease from the 80 hours, I think he would question whether it was even worth the effort.
    FWIW, I think we all basically agree about the following: it’s about finding a balance or a middle ground that makes each individual happy, and that is going to vary widely from person to person based on many different factors. Any disagreement we may have stems from personal preference or bias

  124. 5% is pretty disturbing. Saving as much as you can whenever you can is a better approach. Clearly every month it might be hard to save %50, but striving for that is much better than accepting a meager 5%!

  125. I think you will catch up to me within a short few years. I think your going to continue to be a very successful blogger/stock analyst and writer and will continue making more and more $$ of your talent and efforts t o educate. That plus your much more frugal lifestyle will soon allow you to buy huge DGI holdings. I just hope you keep blogging through all of it! DD

  126. Wow that’s a low savings rate. And since that’s an average you can be sure there are PLENTY of Americans not saving anything at all. Most people don’t realize that the choices you make day after day are what will determine if you end up living the life you want or not. Choosing to forgo some material possessions and instead save for retirement or simply start an emergency fund will get you to freedom much faster.

    While I believe that there are people who really only live and work to get material possessions and are not interested in anything else, I’m also convinced that this is not the way to a happy life. If a person like this is on their deathbed and thinks about how they spent their life, there will be a lot of sorrow indeed.

    Cut unnecessary expenses and redirect that money into savings/investments. Thanks a lot for this post.

  127. DM,

    Great article. Like you – I feel like we have many more “tomorrows” and that sacrificing the “go-all-out” nights with friends spending money only to find out that at age ___Insert here___ you didn’t save much, is worth foregoing. I too am truly blessed that I can save between 45-60% of my income every month and have the ability/knowledge to invest those savings into assets that can increase in value AND produce cash flow back to me. It empowers me knowing that I am comfortable and confident in what I do to save money without sacrificing as much in the “life” department. Treading water was never my cup of tea, more of a power swimmer and my goal is to be the guy relaxing on the shore tomorrow because of my financial efforts now. I need to probably re-focus my mindset though, and think of ways to further save (Phone bill, utilities, insurance, etc). I want to almost be an extremist or an extreme negotiator for those items. Great points and article though DM. Thanks again, will talk soon, have a great weekend!

    -Lanny B

  128. Agreed. Time goes by and what do you remember the most? All the times you went out to eat and shopping or the good times with family and friends just hanging out. My only splurge this year was our vacation to the beach. Other than that we are living frugal and paying down the house and the 5 payments I have left on my car.

  129. I agree with both of you. I know way too many people that conflate wants and needs. Frankly, it pisses me off. But, a lot of things do.

  130. Jason,

    That’s a fantastic point there. You can be treading water in more than one way, and a career is a great example. I suppose I was also treading water there, especially near the end where I lost even the smallest ounce of enthusiasm I ever had for the job. But I also wonder if humans are meant to do one thing or work one job for 30 or 40 years. I just don’t think it should be like that.

    Let’s hope our investments will continue swimming for us! Or at least serve as a life vest. 🙂

    Cheers.

  131. Geblin,

    It’s definitely depressing. It just shows how much room for improvement there really is, and how just a few really small changes in people’s lives would drastically transform their financial futures.

    The future you will be very glad the you of today and yesterday had the foresight necessary to change your life and allow you freedom to pursue whatever you want. How much better can life get than that?? 🙂

    I hope you’re having a great weekend as well!

    Take care.

  132. AlphaTarget,

    Yeah, I stepped on a land mine myself with student loan debt. It wasn’t insurmountable, but it’s still a big mistake I wish I could take back. Although, I don’t think it’s just here in the US. There’s temptation anywhere, especially in first world countries. But anytime I think about all of the drawbacks of living somewhere like this I remember that I’m much better off than someone who was born in sub-Saharan Africa or small town India where basic necessities are either unavailable or too expensive. Life is just way too good for us.

    As far as marriage goes, I agree with you, but I’m biased. I’ve never had a desire to get married, even before I started this journey. Not only do I find it financially disadvantageous, but I find it unnecessary and outdated. That’s just my personal opinion. But I think marriage is wonderful for others; it’s just not for me.

    Let’s hope we continue to dodge land mines on our way to financial independence! 🙂

    Best regards.

  133. Tom,

    Ha! I don’t get bothered often, but ignorance sometimes gets the best of me. I don’t mind different viewpoints, and enjoy discussing perspectives. But comments that are just flat out wrong are really irritating.

    I’m definitely human. 🙂

    Cheers!

  134. Steve,

    Man, that’s great there. You were hired in at just the right time! That’s really fortunate timing on your part. 🙂

    Your savings rate is actually pretty aggressive, relative to the average. I know that sometimes we throw a lot of numbers around in the blogosphere with 40%, 50%, and 60% savings rates, but these are really crazy numbers. We just become numb to them. A 15% savings rate is still very admirable and puts you on pace for a pretty healthy account balance, especially since you have a pension to count on. Add in SS, and you should be sitting pretty!

    Thanks for stopping by. Appreciate the support. I suspect you’ll have a very comfortable and rewarding retirement here pretty soon.

    Best wishes.

  135. TWD,

    You’ve got it. You don’t have to save 50% to have a financially successful life. But 5% certainly isn’t going to cut it. If you can regularly and reliably save even 20% of your income you’ll set yourself up for a position far better than most people. You might not retire rich or even very early, but you’ll be in a position far better than most and prepared for a curve ball or two.

    Thanks for stopping by!

    Cheers.

  136. DD,

    Thanks for the kind words! I hope you’re even half right. 🙂

    I definitely plan to keep blogging through all of it. I want this blog to capture the journey to FI from beginning to end, and beyond. It’s a big goal, but I’m doing my best!

    Cheers.

  137. Syed,

    Your comment reminds me of the great quote by Paul Tsongas:

    “Nobody on his deathbed ever said, ‘I wish I had spent more time at the office.'”

    How true.

    Thanks for the perspective!

    Best regards.

  138. Lanny,

    Thanks for stopping by!

    I’m with you. Treading water is no good at all. But it’s really about finding balance and value in what you spend money on. However, I truly have more fun buying stock than I do buying anything at the mall. I think people have this preconceived notion that all of this is one big sacrifice, and it’s really not. Sure, there’s some things I’d probably have or do if money were no object. For instance, I’d love to have a small loft located right in the middle of one of our great downtowns up here in Michigan (Ann Arbor or Grand Rapids). And I’d probably go out to eat a little more. But that’s pretty much it. I’m not really giving much of anything up. As I said in a different comment, I truly enjoy things that don’t cost money.

    I’ve got a post coming up in a few days explaining what I did all day this past Friday. Not only was it just a ton of fun, but it ended up costing me very little money. 🙂

    I wish you the best of luck on improving your extreme/negotiator skills over there!

    Take care.

  139. DFG,

    Absolutely. I can tell you exactly what I remember about 2013: My sister’s wedding reception, Christmas with family, scooting around Sarasota on beautiful days, meeting up with Kraig Mathias, interviews with USA Today and the Today Show, and Saturday morning walks at the farmer’s market downtown.

    Some of these things required more money than others, but none broke the bank. In the end, my life is just a collection of memories. And my best memories usually require very little money at all.

    Thanks for adding that. Best of luck getting rid of that car payment! 🙂

    Cheers.

  140. This is definitely a great post. What’s wonderful is that you are an inspiration to others who think it’s not possible to get ahead. You’re not only getting ahead, but taking charge of your own destiny which I agree – we all can do. Living frugally is truly the key to being able to save a large percentage of income. Without frugality, lifestyle inflation will just eat away at any increased earnings.

  141. Nice response Jason…it seems that some of your followers think you are trying to advocate for frugality. I think it’s more like if you are already frugal …here is a wise path to follow to give your freedom sooner? Me thinks…

  142. Jason,

    How do you gauge how much is “ok” to spend on a splurge?

    Do you just know
    When you are getting tired and need a pick me up or do it in service of others?

    I have a hard time not being overly mental about spending money even if it is a need or a long desired want because I know the power of compounding and I am still a long way from FI.

    Thanks for any wisdom.

    Jonathan

  143. DM,

    Exactly. Instead of buying a 195.00 pair of sunglasses (which wait – does that pair of sunglasses protect your eyes more than a 15.00 pair or even 5?) I’d rather put that money towards ownership of a public company that puts more back into my pocket throughout the year. It’s interesting. Don’t get me wrong, I do go through a phase when I know I need new clothes/shoes – similar to the one stint that you had, and I will go out and buy new items, but it’s not an every weekend type thing. Of course, even when I do that, I look for rock bottom sales (Make many trips to PA, no sales tax plus an outlet mall).

    That’s perfect that you have many creative ideas/ways to enjoy and live life without spending much money. It’s about who we spend our time with now what we spend our money on, that matters. Have a great Sunday DM, pumped for your next article.

    -Lanny

  144. Green Money Stream,

    Thank you so much. I sincerely appreciate the support and kind words. I really hope that this blog is inspiring others out there. I can think of no greater reward than helping others secure a better financial future.

    I couldn’t agree more about frugality. Those that focus on earning more over saving what they already have will likely never find a way to achieve a high savings rate. You need to worry about keeping more of what you’ve got before trying to get more of what you already have.

    Cheers!

  145. Chris,

    Exactly. I only offer inspiration. I’m walking a path to financial freedom, and I simply aim to share my experiences as I go. This path isn’t for everyone, just the same as any other path in life isn’t for everyone. But for those interested in not working a 9-5 till 65 and worrying about how they’re going to pay their bills in old age, I offer what I think is a better way…a solution. If being stressed out, working too much, not having enough money, and generally not being happy is a problem, I see financial independence as a large part of the solution.

    For anyone not interested in this, that’s fine. I can only with them the best of luck with whatever path they choose to walk instead.

    Best regards!

  146. Jonathan,

    That’s a good question. I can only answer this question for myself, as we will all differ in what we find value in.

    I typically find splurging worthwhile when it’s based around experiences, and more specifically experiences that I don’t indulge in very often. Even more specifically, experiences that are spent with people I love. But even then I base splurging around a value proposition.

    I’ll give you a real-life example:

    I went to a Detroit Tigers game on the 4th of July with two of my younger sisters and their partners. So there was the price of the ticket, gas, and parking. Plus, we ate at a couple of iconic Chili Dog eateries before the game. I spent well over $50 on all of this. But it was worth every penny. The seats were great and the fireworks show after the game was great. But best of all, it was a memorable time with family. I’ll never forget it. To me, that’s worth $50. Now, I could have just as easily spent that $50 on a new pair of jeans, or two visits to the movie theater, or a few DVDs. But whereas those examples might not have provided commensurate value, the baseball game did. Now, that’s just me.

    I hope that helps?

    In the end, we all must find our individual balances and judge value accordingly. Every dollar spent is one more dollar that isn’t working for you. That’s not always a bad thing, but sometimes it is. When it is and when it’s not is really something that you have to figure out.

    Best wishes!

  147. Hi Jason,

    Long time reader and first time commenting.

    I enjoy your website very much and thoroughly enjoy reading every post.

    I sometimes feel like I was born at the wrong time as everyone around me is financing vacations, cars etc. I just can’t relate. I have always been a saver and started investing in my early 20’s, although not heavily. At 28, I have a long runway to get my Dividend Plane in the air.

    I have been receiving 10-15% pay increases per year for the past two years and it should continue at that rate for another 3 years. I save/invest 2/3 of every raise. My peers at work are using the raises to borrow more and more, I even had one say he is of the belief that “you should max out your credit and enjoy life to the fullest” I couldn’t help but laugh as to me it was a joke.

    Keep up the great posts!

    Regards from Canada

  148. DividendPlane,

    Thanks for taking the time to drop your first comment! 🙂

    That’s a great story there. Believe me, the future you will be very thankful that the you of today had the foresight necessary to create a much better and more flexible future. It’s even better when along the way you have figured out the so-called “sacrifices” aren’t really sacrifices at all. It’s great to have perspective.

    Thanks for the readership! Stay in touch. You’re off to a great start at 28. The hill for building for your snowball is long and steep right now.

    Best wishes!

  149. Hi Bruce, thanks for getting back to me. I think it’s great that you and your wife are money savvy. And yes I know what you mean about your wife being a recovering extreme couponer, I went a little crazy myself with extreme couponing. I’ve cut back as well. And I also agree that balance is important.

    To most people minimalism is an extreme take but I guess it depends what minimalism means to a person. To some people it means living with 50-100 things and others take a more liberal view of minimalism i.e. they will live with more than 100 things but stop purchasing materialistic items when they reach their point of “enough stuff.”

    I’m not a minimalist but its interesting how much I have bought in the past and how little of it I actually use on an everyday basis. Anyway yes i agree on having a balance, but maybe Jason found his? I suppose only time will tell. 😉

  150. Jason, it looks like I struck a nerve somewhere in there, which wasn’t really the intention. Perhaps you were already on the defensive after some trolls took their shots at you. The thought that you’re living a monastic life now, in an effort to be “free” to live a monastic life later was only tangentially related to the question about dealing with a catastrophic event — obviously if you’re saving instead of splurging, you will be in a better position to address a whole host of financial hurdles. Rather, both of these are concerns/critiques related to stopping work at 40 with a relatively small nut (or “snowball” if you prefer). One common bit of wisdom among the DGI/FI crowd is that you cannot make up for time, as the power of compounding is so powerful. Thus, my concern is that you will stop by 40, only to realize 5 or 10 years down the line that you didn’t have a big enough snowball when you stopped actively working. View the criticism as “tough love” not as insults to your decisions. To put it simply, it would really suck to exercise such amazing discipline, only to find out 10 years down the road that you came up a little short. Perhaps when you’re 40 you can write a best-selling novel about your journey and it will all be a moot point! Good luck, my friend

  151. Another awesome post DM.

    I was married when younger and now that I’m not I have strong feelings about the whole concept myself. If I ever start a blog I have a potentially controversial (only because most people will defend marriage to the death) post about it I could write and was wondering if you would try your hand at posting about your thoughts on how you think it’s unnecessary and outdated as I personally would love to hear your theory as a post.

    Keep up the great work!

    S

  152. Bruce D.,

    Sorry if my response was curt, but it was simply because we’ve already had this discussion before. I view it kind of like walking into a pizza shop and asking the owner why he doesn’t just stop making pizza and do something else instead that could make him much more money. And then he spends 10 minutes discussing the validity of making pizza, the joy he may find in sourcing ingredients, and how he likes being part of the community. Then you walk away enlightened, only to come back a month later asking the same question again.

    I misunderstood your catastrophic event question. In that case, your question reminds me of the old “But what if you get hit by a bus?” argument, which I find even more flabbergasting. If you’re going to get hit by a catastrophic event – be it cancer or a major accident – this is likely going to happen no matter. So if you give me the choice of working until I’m 50 and then undergoing treatment for cancer or spending 10-15 years of my life free before undergoing treatment I’ll choose the latter 100 times out of 100.

    As far as not building a sizable enough snowball, life is full of risks, unknowns, and chances. But there is no failure here in modern day America. It’s not like we live in rural India and risks might involve starving to death or losing your housing. The biggest risk one can face with seeking financial independence is that he/she might have to rejoin the work force later in life. But that’s not a risk at all. That’s the situation you would have already been in had you never sought out FI and took a chance. So you have a chance to seek freedom and see how it goes with the risk of going back to work, or skipping right to the worst-case scenario and just staying at work. I’d rather take my chances with freedom. Furthermore, dividend income doesn’t have to always cover 100%+ of expenses if you’re enterprising enough. If the spreadsheet doesn’t work out and you come up $200 short per month I just somehow find it hard to believe that someone who was intelligent enough to get that close can’t somehow bridge that gap with a little active income, be it a hobby that earns a little money on the side, an enjoyable part-time job for a few hours per month, or something else. Furthermore, any gap that you may find yourself with in early retirement will likely be eliminated in short order through the organic growth in your dividend income. That’s the whole “growth” in “dividend growth investor” Your income won’t stay static. And while your expenses won’t either, someone who took frugality seriously enough to get there in the first place likely won’t be seeing 10% expense growth year in and year out.

    And I don’t view it as “monastic life now…to live a monastic life later”. There’s nothing monastic about my life, and that’s what I was referring to both in this comment and the prior. I lived an extremely frugal life early on to get my snowball rolling as fast as possible, and I’ve since let off the throttle a bit. I actually view my lifestyle as quite indulgent, outside of my current housing situation which is temporary.

    Best regards.

  153. Sundeep,

    Thanks! Glad you enjoyed it. 🙂

    I may write about that at some point in the future, though that would be a pretty big departure from what I typically talk about. I wouldn’t mind writing it only if I could somehow frame it within the idea of financial independence/early retirement. However, whereas I don’t really think marriage is necessary or beneficial for my life, I certainly am not trying to talk anyone out of getting married and I’m not interested in talking it down. It’s just not for me. But that doesn’t mean it won’t/doesn’t/can’t work for others.

    Thanks for stopping by!

    Cheers.

  154. “I’ve come to the point to where you could give me $100,000 more per year and I’d probably save and invest just about all of it. Happiness truly comes from within, and that requires no money at all. I believe all of us have a baseline happiness level.”

    Yes, yes and yes. Well put.

    Your $100K comment resonated with me. I took a $100K hit in salary over a year ago and I am:

    1. Happier than I’ve been in years.
    2. Saving even more now than ever before.
    3. Feeling more successful than ever because I feel what I do now really matters.

    It is powerful to know, to really know, that you can be happy (in my case happier) with more modest “needs”.

    Less, I have found, is more.

  155. Free to Pursue,

    Less is more, indeed. Couldn’t agree more!

    I’m now making less than I ever was at the dealership. And I’m 1,000 times happier. Not only is it great to know that the psychologists have it right, but it’s also nice to know that I’m more in control than ever. I’m not relying on money or stuff to make me happy. There’s not that longing or sense of loss/confusion. There’s no waiting for the paycheck or going out into the cold world waiting for what’s next. Today is it. Today is happiness. Today I’m complete.

    Thanks for stopping by! Glad to know you’ve found your “enough”, which is a fundamental necessity to find happiness.

    Best regards.

  156. Another great article DM,

    You’ve got some thought provoking ideas here about the difference between our wants and needs. It’s is difficult, for some to decide which is important. Some people can’t tell the difference anymore. They must have that morning mocha latte on their way in to work versus a regular cup of coffee brewed at home. It’s become such a part of their routine, they can’t tell if its a want or need. The other thing that can be challenging is the constant attack from retailers to get you to buy their wares. Don’t worry if you don’t have cash, we take plastic. Don’t have any plastic? No prob. You can open a credit card account with them. Just buy it now. The federal reserve are guilty of it too. When they see too many people saving their money, they lower the rate to force people to spend instead of save to stimulate economic growth. Funny thing is we’ve had these low interest rates for awhile and I still don’t see the economic growth that’s supposed to happen.There comes a time when each will be forced to decide what’s important. Good for you that you did it early in life!

  157. Arizona Trader,

    I agree. Each one of us must decide what’s really important. Is it the SUV you drive over to your favorite coffee shop in the morning or more time to spend on passions and with loved ones. Only an individual can decide that for themselves.

    However, I don’t really blame “the man” or marketing in general for people’s predicaments. I blame people. We’re all living in the same world, yet some of us “unplug” and others don’t. I think it’s easy to blame others when people should really look in the mirror. I had to look in the mirror years ago and realize my worst enemy was actually me. It’s tough to man up and admit that, but it’s necessary.

    Cheers!

  158. I just did the math and seem to be saving around 7%. But then I realized that a big chunk of my cash goes into our joint account which pays the mortgage and all the household bills. But in those accounts, we are saving roughly 26% (we put x amount in to cover expenses and x amount into savings and it works out to 26%). So all is not lost (we are paying out mortgage down aggressively). There is about 2.5 years left on my car, which will bring my personal savings up to around 20% or more, which isn’t bad. All is not lost and every extra bit of cash I can save up is getting dumped back into the dividend factory.

  159. Stephen,

    Hey, 7% is a nice start. And it’s something to build upon. The good news is that there’s lots of room for improvement and you’re taking the necessary steps to do so. And if a nice chunk of that is going into home equity, then you can consider some of that savings as well. Although residential real estate is a poor “investment” over the long run, it’s certainly better than nothing.

    Good luck getting to that 20%+ mark within the next couple years. The higher you can get your savings rate, the better. A 50% savings rate puts you on track for financial independence/early retirement in about 15 years, so you can see why it’s important to get that rate high.

    Cheers!

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